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JosiahS
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A case of a missing baptism?? Opinions sought.
« on: Saturday 26 April 08 17:35 BST (UK) »

Hello there!

William Jones married Elizabeth Appleby in Sunderland in 1789.  They had numerous children many of whom were baptised in the 1798-1812 period.  On each of these William is from Boston, and Elizabeth 'of this parish', i.e. Sunderland.  This couple are my direct ancestors.

I had presumed before I found Elizabeth's death reference that she was the Elizabeth Appleby born in Sunderland in 1762, daughter of Thomas A and Anne Bainbridge, however, when she died in 1811 Elizabeth was just 41, giving a date of birth of 1770 - she had also last given birth in August 1809 which would make the earlier date less likely.

After Elizabeth's death William married again to an Ann Linton (Lintell on the IGI).  She was a widow - her maiden name was Appleby.  She was still alive at the time of the censuses and age evidence points to her being the daughter of Francis Appleby and Mary Side b 1776.  William had one Francis Jones with Elizabeth who died young, and another with Ann, who did too.

William died in 1831 aged 66 - buried on the same day from the same address was a Robert Appleby, aged 27 - he would be the one who is the grandson of Francis and Mary, via their son Francis.  William and Anne's first daughter was named Mary.

I know if was common for a widower to marry his late wife's sister and I think this is what has happened here, but I cannot find a baptism for Elizabeth.  Francis and Mary had a number of children but there are no baptisms for children belonging to them between 1768 and 1774.

I have never found a baptism for William Jones so I don't know what his parents were called.

Can I assume that Elizabeth is the daughter of Francis and Mary, and the sister of Ann Appleby? 

What would you do?

Ashley
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DU: Jones, Miller, Laverick, Orwin, Burn, Finlay, Robson, Robinson, Jobling, Fenwick, Spoor, Saunders, Billingsley, Bainbridge, Chilton
NB: Pickard, Gilchrist, Curry, Heron, Thompson, Bell, Henderson, Aynsley, Crumbie
CU: Bell, Armstrong, Parker
SY: Saunders, Bartlett, Ellis
Buckinghamshire: Saunders
N Yorks: Miller (Swaledale), Raw
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Re: A case of a missing baptism?? Opinions sought.
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 26 April 08 17:55 BST (UK) »

It's certainly possible, but I'm not sure that you can assume that it's correct.

Are you absolutely certain that Ann is the daughter of Francis & Mary?
And you did have reason to think that Elizabeth might be the daughter of Thomas & Ann. Maybe she is? Ages are not reliable.

Not sure.
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Re: A case of a missing baptism?? Opinions sought.
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 26 April 08 18:15 BST (UK) »

Hi Tricia

There are only 2 options for Ann's baptism - one in 1774 and one in 1776 with the child born in 1774.

The parents of one are Robert and Jane, and of the other, Francis and Mary.

Ann called her first daughter Mary (from her first marriage) and her first son, who was from her second marriage, was called Francis.  She then had 2 more sons but neither was a Robert so I assumed that Francis would be her father.

Ashley
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DU: Jones, Miller, Laverick, Orwin, Burn, Finlay, Robson, Robinson, Jobling, Fenwick, Spoor, Saunders, Billingsley, Bainbridge, Chilton
NB: Pickard, Gilchrist, Curry, Heron, Thompson, Bell, Henderson, Aynsley, Crumbie
CU: Bell, Armstrong, Parker
SY: Saunders, Bartlett, Ellis
Buckinghamshire: Saunders
N Yorks: Miller (Swaledale), Raw
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Re: A case of a missing baptism?? Opinions sought.
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 26 April 08 19:18 BST (UK) »

Hello there!

I know if was common for a widower to marry his late wife's sister and Ashley

Before 1835 such a marriage was a violation of Canon Law, and after the 1835 Act a violation of Civil Law.

These marriages were illegal from 1835 until the Marriage (Prohibited
Degrees of Relationship) Act 1907  that is the Deceased Wife's Sister Marriage Act, 1907


Stan
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Re: A case of a missing baptism?? Opinions sought.
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 26 April 08 22:09 BST (UK) »

Hi Stan

Yes, I realise that but I have several in my tree

Should I report them?

Ashley
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DU: Jones, Miller, Laverick, Orwin, Burn, Finlay, Robson, Robinson, Jobling, Fenwick, Spoor, Saunders, Billingsley, Bainbridge, Chilton
NB: Pickard, Gilchrist, Curry, Heron, Thompson, Bell, Henderson, Aynsley, Crumbie
CU: Bell, Armstrong, Parker
SY: Saunders, Bartlett, Ellis
Buckinghamshire: Saunders
N Yorks: Miller (Swaledale), Raw
ALL CENSUS INFORMATION CONTAINED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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