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can anyone help me find the clasper ladies
« on: Saturday 26 April 08 23:52 BST (UK) »

looking for the following clasper sisters
elizabeth clasper bc 1840 not on cnesus with family after the 1851
isabella bc 1837 on 1861 unmarried but dont know where she went after this
and mary bc 1843 not on census 1861 with family

also their b rothers george 1834 and john 1828 and james 1831 in 1851 they were boarding with thier sister ann's husband thomas gatiss but not know where after this
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Re: can anyone help me find the clasper ladies
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 26 April 08 23:56 BST (UK) »

Marriage of the females would seem the most likely reason for not finding them under Clasper

Have you checked for their marriages on either freebmd/IGI/GRO index
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Rosalie Mathilda Jönsson 1916-1999


Re: can anyone help me find the clasper ladies
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 27 April 08 00:10 BST (UK) »

Hi Gwen

marriage Mar 1854 Auckland 10a   149
Anderson Elizabeth   Clasper    James        

1861 RG9/3714  Folio  52  Page  55
Woodsfield Cottages, Crook & Billy Row, Durham
James Clasper head m 30  Brick Maker Northumb'land Swalwell
Elizabeth  "      wife  m 24                     Durham City
Joseph Anderson boarder m 32 Coal Miner    "
Mary          "            "         m 41                      "
John Henderson      "         s  17 Brick Maker   "


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Rosalie Mathilda Jönsson 1916-1999


Re: can anyone help me find the clasper ladies
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 27 April 08 00:21 BST (UK) »

1861 RG9/3798 fol.39 p.21
Heworth Lane, Heworth, Durham
CLASPER (indexed as Chasper)
John head m 33  Brick Maker  Blaydon Burn Durham
Elizabeth wife m 27                     "          "
Jane Ann  dau      9                 Northumb'd Howdon
Edward    son      8                             "         "
Mary        dau      6                             "         "

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Re: can anyone help me find the clasper ladies
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 27 April 08 00:34 BST (UK) »

From Free BMD Marriages AMJ 1861 Whitby Vol 9d  Page 615
William Hosea Brown
Isabella Clasper
William Rodgerson or Rogerson
Elizabeth Young
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Lancashire and Cheshire: Harding, Turner, Gandy, Rigby, Bancroft, Moorcroft, Wright
Wiltshire: Webb, Hayter, Mussell, Curtice, Sheppard
Hampshire: Harper, Rawlings
Ireland: Revels, Qua, Alexander, Clegg
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Re: can anyone help me find the clasper ladies
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 27 April 08 00:36 BST (UK) »

Hi, yes just found that marriage  Smiley

possible for Isabella:

marriage Jun 1861  Whitby 9d 615  (if correct, maybe working in Whitby?)
Clasper    Isabella  with William Rodgerson on same page    

1871 RG10/5041  Folio  102  Page  52
77 Tyne Street, Jarrow, Durham
RODGERSON
William head m 31 Foreman Iron Works  Durham
Isabella wife m 32                      Durham Whickham
William J  son     5                          "         Jarrow
George      "       1                          "            "

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Re: can anyone help me find the clasper ladies
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 27 April 08 03:41 BST (UK) »

many thanx barb that gives me something to go on
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Re: can anyone help me find the clasper ladies
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 27 April 08 11:56 BST (UK) »

Hi

This might be Mary.....

1861

Newcastle upon Tyne RG9/3817 Folio 49 Page 22


Elizabeth Lister Head W 75 Fire Brick Manufacturer Durham Swalwell
Jane M do Daughter U 30 North’d Benwell
Elizabeth Reed Grand Daugh U 16 Newcastle on Tyne
Dora M Burnett Grand Daug 4 Durham Dunston
Jane M L Pescod Grand Daught 7 Durham Witton le Wear
Mary Clasper Servant 17 Durham Derwent Hough
Jane do Servant 14 Durham Derwent Hough

High Scotswood House Villa, Benwell

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« Reply #8 on: Sunday 27 April 08 18:10 BST (UK) »

Hi Barbara Cheesy

Hope you had a good break.

I noticed the address of Woodsfield Cottages which you gave for James in 1861. When I did that entry, in the early hours of 7th April, I thought it said “Modified Cottages”. I just checked again and I now think it says Woodifield Cottages (in line with the name of the Colliery)

Anyway, here he is again.....

1871

Auckland RG10/4937 Folio 11 Page 16

James Clasper Head M 40 Brick Moulder Durham Swalwell
Elizabeth do Wife M 34 Durham Hetton
Jane A do Daur 4 Durham Crook
James Henderson Lodger W 57 Coal Miner Scotland
Alexander Jackson Lodger U 33 Labour in Coke Yard Westmorland Newby

West Road, Crook & Billy Row

He can be seen in 1881 at Chester le Street RG11/4985 Folio 99 Page 6 with Elizabeth and Jane A, living in Lamesley.

He also appears on the 1891 and 1901 censuses in Lamesley, but the entries for both seem to be very garbled. In 1891 he is shown to be married to a different Elizabeth (nee Hanratty from Ireland) with his new mother in law and brothers in law living with him. In 1901 he is shown as married to the original Elizabeth again but he now seems to have two daughters called Jane who were born in Crook in 1867. One of them is single and one of them is married with two children, plus he (allegedly) has another 7 year old daughter called Elizabeth

I decided not to mention any of this in case it caused confusion Grin

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Re: can anyone help me find the clasper ladies
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 27 April 08 18:58 BST (UK) »

Hi DS,

Yes thank you!

I didn't realise that you had already given Gwen the 1861 and later census  Roll Eyes

Gwen - think you'd better check your notes and tell us who is still missing, or not Grin Grin

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