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cmcmull
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Can I please request a lookup for Mary McKenzie age aabout 73 who was in St Giles area of Edinburgh with daughter Mary
Thanks, Carmel
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jacques
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Hello Carmel
Is this them
1861 living 35 George 4 Bridge St Giles Edinburgh Old Greyfriars
Mary McKenzie Head aged 73 Occup Keeps Office B St Ninions Stirling
Mary " 47
Thomas " 10.
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cmcmull
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Yes thanks Pam. Does it have place of birth for Mary? I have other census records with one saying born Lanarkshire and another saying born England. I'm also unsure who the Thomas age 10 is so wondering if you can find records for sons Thomas born c 1819 who was a goldsmith or jeweller and William born c 1823 who was also a goldsmith apprentice in 1841 but haven't got any later records for him. They were both born in Edinburgh. Thomas age 30 was still at home with mother in 1851 so I suspect this child may be son of William.
Thanks for your help,
Best Wishes, Carmel
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jacques
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Hello Carmel
Had another look at 1861
Mary aged 73 Born St Ninions Stirling
Thomas 10 GRANDSON born Old Geryains Edinburgh.
Mary daughter born Douglas Lanarkshire.
Will look into the Thomas and William Jewellers and Goldsmiths tomorrow.
Speak soon
Pam
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cmcmull
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Thanks Pam. That will be really great. I have to give up for a while now also. Need to get ready for a 2 hour car trip so won't get any more done today.
Best Wishes, Carmel
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jacques
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Hello Carmel, Here are my comments re Thomas and William.
William McKenzie 1851 No sign yet 1861 Yes below possible 1871 Yes
Thomas " 1851 and 1861 married to Euphemia. There was an occupation change on 1861 could be gold fillings for teeth?? 1871 has son Thomas with him but where was he on 1851 and 1861. Will leave you to mull over and perhaps you can get back to me before I search anymore.
1861 WILLIAM @ 11 Church Street Edinburgh St Cuthberts
William McKenzie Head Marr 37 Jeweller empl 2 men 2boys B Canongate Edin
Mary Wife 34 B Swoonie Fife
William Son 3 B Edinburgh
Robert " 1 "
1871 @ 11 Church Street Edinburgh
William McKenzie Head 46 Jeweller emp 1man 5boys B Canongate Edi
Mary Wife 44 B Scoonie Fife
William Son 13 B Canongate Edi
Robert " 11 "
Thomas M " 9 B St Cuthberts E
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Grace Neilon Niece 9 Servant B St Ninions Stirling
will continue on next post with Thomas
Pam
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jacques
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Thomas
1851 @ 20 Clyde Street Edinburgh St Andrews
Thomas McKenzie Head Marr 36 Working Jeweller +2App B Edinburgh
Euphemia Wife 30 B Muirkirk Ayrshire
Frederick Son 10 B Edinburgh
Amelia Dau 5 B Corstophine Edinb
Eliza Dau 3 "
Henry Son 1 B Edinburgh
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Margaret Gray Servant 14 B Cramond Mid Lothian
1861 @ 164 Ratcliffe Place Edinburgh Newington St Cuthberts
Thomas McKenzie Head Marr 47 Mechanical Dentist B Edinburgh
Euphemia Wife 45 B Muirkirk Ayrshire
Amelia Dau 15 B Edinburgh
Eliza " 13 C Corstophine Edin
Henry Son 10 C Edinburgh
Francis Ann Dau 7 B Edinburgh
Henrietta " 3 "
1871 @ 23 Clyde Street Edinburgh
Thomas McKenzie Head 50 Jeweller B Edinburgh
Thomas " Son 25 Jewellers Appce "
Over to you
Pam
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cmcmull
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Thanks very much Pam
I'm fine with the details for William especially with the relative being born St Ninian's as Thomas and William's mother was from St Ninian's.
I don't know about Thomas though as there is also Thomas age 30 recorded as being with mother in Little Jack Close Canongate. In 1841 Thomas was recorded as 20 and William as 15 both have occupation goldsmith and same address as in 1851.
I found details of the Thomas married to Euphemia on IGI with different parents. It is strange to have two of same name both goldsmiths so they must be related probably cousins. I'm researching their mother's side so don't know more on McKenzie side. There is another Thomas somewhere though as I have Thomas as a nephew informant on death cert of Mary McKenzie sister of William and Thomas and he is shown as 10 years old with grandmother in 1861 record that you found for me. I think he may be the Thomas born 1852 to Thomas and Caroline as shown on IGI so if you can find them on 1861 census I'd really appreciate that. Hopefully this is last time I modify this message.
Regards, Carmel
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jacques
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Hello Carmel
Hope this is OK
1861 @ 475 Lawn Market Edinburgh Tolboth
Thomas McKenzie Head Marr 45 Policeman B Cromerty
Caroline Wife 43 Straw Hat Maker B Perth Perthshire
William Son 16 Print Compositor B Inverness
Thomas " 8 B Toll Both Edinburg
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Anne Craigie Boarder 16 Straw Hat Maker B Glasgow
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cmcmull
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Thanks for your help Pam. Now I am confused. This one is even more unlikely as place of birth incompatible with 1841 as well as age and occupation. I think I'll revert to the previous one - at least he is born Edinburgh, same work area and age does go back to what I thought it should be in 1871. Maybe the other person researching has got wrong Thomas and maybe our Thomas was recorded twice in 1851 if he was visiting mother around time of census.
Best wishes, Carmel
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