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Luke [William] Howard
« on: Sunday 27 April 08 17:26 BST (UK) »
Can someone please check for this couple on the 1881 for Canterbury area.  Regards.  Roy



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@ George Inn Houses Gelligaer Glamorgan

Luke W   Howard Head Marr 21  Gen Lab   Born  Gayton  Norfolk
Mary A                 Wife           25                           Canterbury  Kent
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« Reply #1 on: Sunday 27 April 08 17:34 BST (UK) »
Hi Roy


This looks like their marriage (found on FreeBMD)


Luke William Howard  Dec 1888    Bridge  2a 1346

bride:   Mary Lanes.

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« Reply #2 on: Sunday 27 April 08 17:41 BST (UK) »
Luke is in Lambeth with his family:    RG11  0602/116   38

Abel Howard   head   42
Mary Ann        wife     36
Charlotte         dau     17
Eveline             "         13
LUKE                son     11
Mary A             dau        6
William             son        4
Thomas            son        1

And 2 lodgers.


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Re: Luke [William] Howard
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 27 April 08 17:43 BST (UK) »
1881
RG11/602/116/38.
abel howard age 42, b, gayton. occ. excavating labourer. head.
mary ann age 36. b. ditto. wife.
charlotte age 17. b. ditto. occ. general house duties at home. daughter.
evelina age 13. b. ditto. daughter.
luke age 11. b. ditto. son.
mary.a. age 6. b. christchurch,middx. daughter.
william age 4. b. west ham,st.georges,essex. son.
thomas.h. age 1. b. middx. son.
william kidd age 69. b. castle acre,norfolk. occ. excavating labourer. lodger.
william parsons age 31. b. staffs. occ. ditto. lodger.
living at ;1,cottage place,lambeth.
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« Reply #4 on: Sunday 27 April 08 17:49 BST (UK) »

Mary is proving to be elusive!


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Re: Luke [William] Howard
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 27 April 08 18:18 BST (UK) »
there is a birth in Bridge for a Mary  Lanes Dec' qtr 1872...
2a 690,which makes her about 16 when she married if, it's her!!
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Re: Luke [William] Howard
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 27 April 08 18:25 BST (UK) »
One Mary J Lanes in the 1881,living in Lower Hardres, born about 1873 ....umpteen Mary Lane's living in Kent..
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« Reply #7 on: Sunday 27 April 08 19:08 BST (UK) »

Census details (1st message) show her as Mary A;   could it be her 2nd marriage as she is 4 years older than Luke?


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« Reply #8 on: Sunday 27 April 08 19:25 BST (UK) »
Yes, signs are that it is her second marriage, full 1891C details are
Luke Howard, 21
Mary A, 25
Luke W, SO, 2, Cadoxton, Glam
Frederick Lanes, wifes son, 6, Kent.
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« Reply #9 on: Sunday 27 April 08 19:32 BST (UK) »
Could do with a copy of Frederick's birth cert (he could be illegitimate) or Mary & Luke's marriage cert.

Frederick's birth 1884 in Kent but no sign of a Mr Lanes marrying a Mary.


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Re: Luke [William] Howard
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 27 April 08 19:54 BST (UK) »
My thanks to all of you for working this topic, excellent result.

Best regards
Roy
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« Reply #11 on: Sunday 27 April 08 20:03 BST (UK) »

Just found a Frederick John LANE marrying in Dec 1883 in Bridge; possible bride Mary Ann Humphreys.

On 1881 census there is a Mary Ann Humphreys, with family, living in Kingstone, Kent,  RG11 0955/60   12

Long shot I know!

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« Reply #12 on: Monday 28 April 08 09:10 BST (UK) »
Thanks Jan, you have been a great help. 
Best regards, Roy
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« Reply #13 on: Monday 28 April 08 10:52 BST (UK) »

A copy of Luke & Mary's marriage cert might help to sort things out.

Can be ordered on line at www.gro.gov.uk   cost £7.


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« Reply #14 on: Monday 28 April 08 12:28 BST (UK) »
As a point of interest, just located Abel Howard and wife Mary with two sons and three daughters in Brithdir on the 1891C, along with nine boarders, all building labourers, residing in George Inn Hut [Railway Contractors]

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