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Topic: EDWARDS Robert RHOSLLANNERCHRUGOG (Read 1295 times)
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Gadget
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I think that they were non-conformists so no baptisms showing 
Do you have access to any chapel records or would William be the only one with them?
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Thank you so much Paul and Gadget.
Ruabon marriage August 16 1851.
Robert Edwards. 23. Bach. Collier. Rhosllan... Father, Robert. Stone mason.
Sarah Griffiths(X) 21. Spinster. Rhosllan... Father, William. Collier.
Witnesses. John Taylor(X) & Ann Griffiths(X).
I'm almost sure that record is the one Paul. Ann Griffiths is in a later census living as Aunt with Daniel Edwards and it fits perfectly with birth of the next Robert in 1852
Where did you find it?
However if this Robert is the stone mason/dresser then he is father of Charles?
That doesnt fit as well. What other names did you find for children of Moreton Robert?
The 1796 date look more likely to me. Is Rhiwaedog anywhere near Cefn DDwysarn. Which parish is Cefn DD in? Not wanting to cause eye -strain but I dont think there's much at Cefn DD so it may show up as an address if you can filter it down?
I am totally stunned with what you have both provided today and cannot wait to share it with the other "cousin" researching the same line
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Edwards, Williams, Griffiths, Gittins in Denbighshire, Merionethshire
Edwards in Monmouthshire.
Kosh, London, Newcastle.
Smart, Rowley Regis,Staffs
Edwards in Pontefract, Castleford, Matlock
Fagan Sheffield, Ireland
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wrjones
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I have some Baptisms at Rhosllannerchrugog Calvinistic Methodist to Parents Robert and Sarah Edwards,but I am not certain whether they are the right ones.
Elizabeth,Born 10/03/1823,Baptised 11/04/1823.
Edward,Born 19/05/1825,Baptised 24/07/1825.
Robert,Born 03/09/1827,Baptised 07/10/1827.
Margaret,Born 07/05/1829,Baptised 20/09/1829.
Sarah,Born 21/03/1832,Baptised 05/04/1832.
Sarah?,Born 13/08/1834,Baptised 07/09/1834.
Whilst I can only think that the earliest Sarah must have died,the Parents are given for each one as (Robert Edwards of Llanfor Parish) and Sarah(Maiden name Lewis,Widow).So if it is the correct couple it appears that it was Sarah's second Marriage,her first husband by the Surname of Griffiths died.
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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Jones,Griffiths.Stephens,Parry,Gabriel,Conway,Hughes,Evans,Roberts,Lea,Hanmer.Peake,Edwards.Newnes,Davies. All North Wales. Conway,Durber,Cartlidge,Lovatt,Bebington.Brindley,Sankey,Brunt.Dean.Clewes.Rhodes. All Stoke-on-Trent. Francis-Nantwich Cheshire. Dennell-Cheshire/Staffordshire. Census Information Is Crown Copyright,from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Gadget
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Hi Indigo
The Charles was born in 1827, so not the Robert, jnrs, son. I'm still wondering about the Morton Above couple in the 1820s and 30s. They did have quite few children baptised.
I'll try to look at the area around Bala on my large maps tomorrow 
Gadget
PS - Paul is our pal on a bike who visits the registry office in Hawarden regularly. He's worth his weight in gold
OOOH - William - you're worth your weight in gold too 
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Gadget
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I see that Robert Edwards is of Llanfor parish - oh this is looking so good
I'll look into the Llanfor parents tomorrow for you, Indigo
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PS - the 1822 Sarah was Jones not Griffiths
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wrjones
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You know I don't read the threads properly!
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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Jones,Griffiths.Stephens,Parry,Gabriel,Conway,Hughes,Evans,Roberts,Lea,Hanmer.Peake,Edwards.Newnes,Davies. All North Wales. Conway,Durber,Cartlidge,Lovatt,Bebington.Brindley,Sankey,Brunt.Dean.Clewes.Rhodes. All Stoke-on-Trent. Francis-Nantwich Cheshire. Dennell-Cheshire/Staffordshire. Census Information Is Crown Copyright,from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Gadget
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anyone read map refs?
Rhiwaedog, according to the National Gazeteer is at map ref SH9434
It's Here- just click
Gadget
Added - I think it might be worth you going to www.old-maps.co.uk and doing a zoom and pan around the area SW of Bala, Indigo
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Indigogirl
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You are all worth your weight in gold.
"Whilst I can only think that the earliest Sarah must have died,the Parents are given for each one as (Robert Edwards of Llanfor Parish) and Sarah(Maiden name Lewis,Widow).So if it is the correct couple it appears that it was Sarah's second Marriage,her first husband by the Surname of Griffiths died"
William- I have seen this record on IGI but discounted it (with difficulty as the d.o.b for Robert is identical to the one I was given but couldn't verify) and because Lewis didnt fit either - however Lewis (WID) makes it perfect.
Today has been one of those red letter days as I have also received copy of 1835 map with Robert Edwards on it and the rate book to go with it from another Edwards source which has been fantastic too!
I hope there is a shared frisson of excitement between everyone who has helped today - the frisson is more like 12V here!
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Edwards, Williams, Griffiths, Gittins in Denbighshire, Merionethshire
Edwards in Monmouthshire.
Kosh, London, Newcastle.
Smart, Rowley Regis,Staffs
Edwards in Pontefract, Castleford, Matlock
Fagan Sheffield, Ireland
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Gadget
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I'll pop upstairs and see if I can find a Sarah Lewis marrying a Jones or a Sarah Jones marrying a Lewis
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Indigogirl
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Relieved its not just me who's compulsive!
I'm trying (in full knowledge I'm going to fail) not to do map and info search of Rhiwaedog and Llanfor.
I think it'll be Jones m Lewis
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Edwards, Williams, Griffiths, Gittins in Denbighshire, Merionethshire
Edwards in Monmouthshire.
Kosh, London, Newcastle.
Smart, Rowley Regis,Staffs
Edwards in Pontefract, Castleford, Matlock
Fagan Sheffield, Ireland
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Gadget
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The only one that I can find at the moment is a Edward Lewis marrying a Sarah Roberts in 1813 
Mind, she could have married in any of the neighbouring parishes - Minera, Chirk, Wrexham, Llangollen, etc.
I'll follow up the Llanfor family tomorrow - tired now.
Here's some background:
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/MER/Llanfawr/index.html
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Thanks again Gadget - not surprised you are tired!
I've been putting it down on paper to get a proper picture and its thrown up a few questions - all of which can wait.
Trying to resist the temptation for a day off sick tomorrow because of "family pressures" ! Well.....its only stretching the truth a little. 
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Edwards, Williams, Griffiths, Gittins in Denbighshire, Merionethshire
Edwards in Monmouthshire.
Kosh, London, Newcastle.
Smart, Rowley Regis,Staffs
Edwards in Pontefract, Castleford, Matlock
Fagan Sheffield, Ireland
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Gadget
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Hi
I've checked and the only marriage that i can find in Llanfor for a Thomas Edwards and an Ann(e) is 5th March 1772 to an Ann Owen. I think this is a little early and I can't find any other baptisms for the couple. I also had a look at Llanycil and Llandrillio and will try Llangower as well. I don't think have records for Llandderfel, which is to the east.
One of the main problems that we're facing is the transition from the patronymic form which was still being used in that part of North Wales until quite late on. I've tried to check on this but can't so far find any likely Thomas
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Ruabon marriage. Aug 19 1822
Robert Edwards. of, R
Sarah Jones. of,R. After Banns.
Witnesses. Richard Davies(X) & Eleanor Valendine(X)
I'm sure you have them Gadget From 1820 to 1827. there are four baptisms for Robert and Sarah's children. Moreton Above.
Two children Robert and Sarah. Groes. and
One. Robert and Sarah. Acrfair.
The only other thing I came across.
Rhosllan... marriage. July 24 1892.
Moses Williams. 21. bachelor. Brickmaker. Llwyn Erion. Father, Moses. Brickmaker.
Margaret Ann Edwards. 21 spinster. Market St. Father, Robert. Shopkeeper.
Witnesses. Robert Jones and Elizabeth Edwards.
Paul.
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