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chinakay
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« on: Monday 28 April 08 05:41 BST (UK) »
Elizabeth Jane Paterson died 19 December, 1934, according to Mount Royal Cemetery in Montreal where she is buried. She was born in Belfast, and immigrated to Canada in 1873. Probably married about 1879, because her first child was born 1880.

So....why can't I find a church entry for her burial?

I've tried Elizabeth, Eliza, Patterson.....Elizabeth +no last name, no first name +Paterson....every spelling variation I can think of...Nichts, nichivo, nada. Rien. Nothing.

So...any ideas? Her husband had a church burial in 1922. All her children were baptized. Is it possible there was no church involved? Could you just have the undertaker pick up a stiff and bury it, in 1934....? Seems bizarre.

Mind you I can't find a marriage either Tongue

Any brainwaves?

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Chin
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Re: Drouin frustration
« Reply #1 on: Monday 28 April 08 13:50 BST (UK) »
Well, they say there are still 8 million names to be added to the collection by the end of the year, sooooo, maybe she's not indexed yet  Undecided

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« Reply #2 on: Monday 28 April 08 16:24 BST (UK) »
What was her maiden name? 

In Quebec, don't woman keep their name and not take on their husbands name?  Is that a recent thing or has it been around for a while? 

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« Reply #3 on: Monday 28 April 08 16:54 BST (UK) »
Only since the mid-80s.

She was a Campbell...I'll check for that as well, thanks Karen.

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C
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« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 29 April 08 00:34 BST (UK) »
Hello China,

Do you have a death cert for her?  Or better yet, have you thumbed through the Montreal newspapers of the time for an obit?

I've been surprised at finding obits that show my strong Scots Presbyterian ancestors being buried from Methodist and even Baptist churches.  Of course, this was in a small town.

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« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 29 April 08 03:31 BST (UK) »
Hello again China,

Don't know where this was when I looked during your scavenger hunt; I tried every name variation you did and I even used various spellings of Peterson to no avail. Maybe they are adding to the index as they go along?

Anyway............

Burial for Elizabeth as Patterson
1934
Montreal, St Alban, Anglican
image 49, I think

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« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 29 April 08 19:02 BST (UK) »
That's her, Polarbear...you're a star once again!

But I'm absolutely certain this wasn't there before. I viewed hundreds of images, including the no-first-name Sandy Beach one right next to it... Karen mentioned there still 8 million names to go, so maybe they are indeed adding them a few at a time.

Many thanks again,
Cheers,
China
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« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 29 April 08 19:35 BST (UK) »
Hi Nick, thanks for looking in!

The church records were the death certs, that's the problem...and also the birth and marriage certs. Until about 1990, there was no civil registration in Quebec, only the parish records...and if you weren't christened in a church you had no birth certificate etc.

My father had a typed form signed by the doctor when he died in 1979, but I was still using a photocopy of the handwritten church register page as a birth certificate, even to apply for a passport, up till 1990. Seems unreal, but there you have it Cheesy

So, back in the 30s, no death certs yet, or if they had started using anything else yet, I haven't come across anything. As for the newspapers, there was the Gazette (morning paper) and the Montreal Star (evening, ceased publication in 1979), and they do not have searchable online archives.

This bunch of Presbyterians seems to have used a variety of churches for their needs...Presb, Meth, Cong, United. "Even" Baptist...? Smiley Actually Presbyterian and many of the Baptist churches of the time were quite similar in doctrine, so it's not a mismatch.

But it seems we have found Elizabeth! So far, so good... Cheesy

Cheers,
China
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