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Topic: Southowram death c.1800? St John's Hx records? (Read 856 times)
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charlotteCH
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If there is anyone who has fiche showing death records at St John's Halifax for the period somewhere round June1800 or a bit later than that I'd be very grateful if it was possible to see if there is any mention of an Ann HARGREAVES, wife of Thomas Hargreaves. She was b. c. 1756.
She is mentioned in a Removal Order in mid year 1800 and the order was suspended as she was very ill . I am assuming she died not long after.
I understand that funeral/burials that occurred in Southowram in this period were recorded in the St John's Hx records- maybe I have not got this correct and would appreciate guidance on this.
Any help, suggestions about this death &/or burial will be much appreciated.
Thank you,
charlotte
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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+
GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI
HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY Nunney/Frome 18-19C
HUMPHRIES, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN Ont. Canada 1830+
PILSEN, Sask.
82nd Regt of Foot 1808-1825
1st WRY Militia 1780-1800
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Marmaduke 123
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Hi Charlotte
This one doesn't match exactly because the husband's name isn't transcribed as Thomas, but if you know his occupation you might be able to judge whether it's a mistranscription or a different person:
Burial 6 Jul 1800 Ann Hargreaves wife of Ja's occupation Delver abode S'm
Sorry, don't have access to the fiche or film, so I can't check for you.
Anne
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Bintcliffe, Simpson, Taylor, Tempest, Gee, Singleton, Helm,
Summerscales, Baldwin,,Bolton, Kitson, Gledhill, Lockwood,
Chadwick, Brearley, Gaukrodger
All from Halifax/Huddersfield area of West Yorkshire
Hopton Gloucestershire
Millinchip Worcestershire
Francis Monmouthshire
Walker Wiltshire
Springall Bucks
Mickle Berkshire
Day, Ven Somerset
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charlotteCH
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Ann, Thank you for looking for Ann for me.
2 points:
As far as I have it, her husband Thomas was a weaver both on their marriage entry 1778 and the baptism record of their first child in 1780 in Ovenden. I don't know what a delver is .. and my OED doesn't give a definition. I'll ask on the list.
second.. the Removal Order reads.... Midgley O/seers of the poor accounts: dated 26 May 1800 "Removal Order, Thomas Hargreaves and Ann his wife, and Ellen,Thomas, Hannah and Samuel their children, Southowram to Midgley. Endorsed 21 July 1800, suspension of order on account of sickness of Ann Hargreaves."
I suppose it is quite possible she died & was buried on 6 July and news travelled slowly and the decision to suspend the order had been made before that date and was in the pipeline.
I'll see if a delver in any way fits with what I know of Thomas.
And as you say, the original may have leeway in how the first name is written, as we all know from 1901 transcription.
Thank you for looking and for your rply and help. I'll ask about a delver,
charlotte
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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+
GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI
HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY Nunney/Frome 18-19C
HUMPHRIES, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN Ont. Canada 1830+
PILSEN, Sask.
82nd Regt of Foot 1808-1825
1st WRY Militia 1780-1800
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Marmaduke 123
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Hi Charlotte
It doesn't really look like the right one does it? A delver is a stone quarrier, I have one of those myself! There weren't any other possible Ann Hargreaves or variants of the name round about the date.
Anne
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Bintcliffe, Simpson, Taylor, Tempest, Gee, Singleton, Helm,
Summerscales, Baldwin,,Bolton, Kitson, Gledhill, Lockwood,
Chadwick, Brearley, Gaukrodger
All from Halifax/Huddersfield area of West Yorkshire
Hopton Gloucestershire
Millinchip Worcestershire
Francis Monmouthshire
Walker Wiltshire
Springall Bucks
Mickle Berkshire
Day, Ven Somerset
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charlotteCH
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Hi Anne, Just posted asking about a delver!
You are quite correct in that it is a big jump from a weaver to a stone quarrier, so it doesn't look like my Ann. Maybe she recovered although one would wonder how , given that she probably had no real medical help.
My Mother's Day present it a search being done of the Midgley/ Southowram poor law records to see what else is there.. very popluar request here as it doesn't require trundling around shops etc.. and popluar with me who wants to know.
I see you have a GAUKROGER listed in your surname interests in Hx. So have I. Perhaps we can swap info oby PM? 'Great if we had a match.
Thanks again for trying.
charlotte
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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+
GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI
HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY Nunney/Frome 18-19C
HUMPHRIES, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN Ont. Canada 1830+
PILSEN, Sask.
82nd Regt of Foot 1808-1825
1st WRY Militia 1780-1800
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Marmaduke 123
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Hi Charlotte
I will pm you re Gaukroger when I am on the correct computer for my records. I guess you know this is a classic Halifax name!
Anne
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Bintcliffe, Simpson, Taylor, Tempest, Gee, Singleton, Helm,
Summerscales, Baldwin,,Bolton, Kitson, Gledhill, Lockwood,
Chadwick, Brearley, Gaukrodger
All from Halifax/Huddersfield area of West Yorkshire
Hopton Gloucestershire
Millinchip Worcestershire
Francis Monmouthshire
Walker Wiltshire
Springall Bucks
Mickle Berkshire
Day, Ven Somerset
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charlotteCH
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Anne, yes about classic hx names- many of my lot are in that category unfortunately. Most inconsiderate of them to marry such people.
Another question if I may--- do you have any clue from the transcription you saw abt Ann Hargreaves whether it was from the original parish reg or was it from a Bishops Transcript? I'm trying to guage the degree of error that might be present.
Will be glad to have your pm when convenient. Just a waring though-sometimes I'm off line for days so slow reply doesn't mean there's no link etc.
charlotte-
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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+
GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI
HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY Nunney/Frome 18-19C
HUMPHRIES, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN Ont. Canada 1830+
PILSEN, Sask.
82nd Regt of Foot 1808-1825
1st WRY Militia 1780-1800
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dave the tyke
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There is a burial entry for an Ann in 1811 but she is transcribed as the daughter of Thomas
HARGREAVES Ann D Ovn Thomas 03/03/1811 Lig
Ovn is Ovenden place of abode and Lig is Lightcliffe chapelry. The above is from the Calderdale FHS transcription.
If your Ann did move to Midgley then would the burial entry have been for Hepptonstall ?
Dave
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Bland, Greenwood Bland, Ellis, Benn, Woodhead, Priestley, Illingworth, Lightowler, Platts, Boys, Bradley, O'Hara, Hall Areas - North Bierley, Northowram, West Bowling, Horton, Shelf, Allerton, Queensbury, Haworth, Ovenden, Halifax, Luddenden, Midgley, Elland, Littleborough Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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charlotteCH
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There is a burial entry for an Ann in 1811 but she is transcribed as the daughter of Thomas
HARGREAVES Ann D Ovn Thomas 03/03/1811 Lig
Ovn is Ovenden place of abode and Lig is Lightcliffe chapelry. The above is from the Calderdale FHS transcription.
If your Ann did move to Midgley then would the burial entry have been for Hepptonstall ?
Dave
Dave,
Thomas & Ann, those under the 1800 Removal Order, had a daughter Hannah who I've not been able to trace- maybe the 1811 death of Ann in Ovenden is her. Other Hargreaves in this immediate family were buried in Ovenden in 1827 & 1832. That isn't proof of anything- merely an observation.
I've a little map from Cald FHS of ancient parishes on Hx divided into chapelries & Townships. Can't see Lightcliffe on the map altho St Matthews Lightcliffe is named in the Lists of churches & chapels, and appears to be in the Hipperholme cum Brighouse area. That's on the other side of Hx from Midgley though. So what am I getting wrong please? If Ann the dau. is down as abode in Ovenden, why would she be buried on the other side of Hx? Visiting, & died? One would not have thought they'd have had the money to be out & about visiting.
Re Heptonstall: isn't it in another chapery to Midgley? Wouldn't Sowerby be closer to Midgley? Lokks so on a flat map but there is always other factors involved.
Comments anyone please?
charlotte
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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+
GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI
HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY Nunney/Frome 18-19C
HUMPHRIES, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN Ont. Canada 1830+
PILSEN, Sask.
82nd Regt of Foot 1808-1825
1st WRY Militia 1780-1800
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dave the tyke
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Hi Charlotte
The Lightcliffe near Brighouse is the only one that I know of too. Possibility that some of the family moved there or were buried there - mother's family perhaps, or perhaps a marriage took a family member there.
Reason I mentioned Heptonstall is the size of the churchyard -estd. 250,000 burials there, headstones turned over and inscribed on the other side that sort of thing. The next burial site to Midgley would be Luddenden but I don't know when that opened.
I did read somewhere about children 'shipped in' to be employed at a mill in Midgley - more or less slave labour - but I don't know where the workhouse was situated.
Where possible a lot people who died were taken back to their place of birth or the place where their parents/family rested, for burial. For workhouse burials I think, at least in some instances, there were communal graves.
good luck
Dave
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Bland, Greenwood Bland, Ellis, Benn, Woodhead, Priestley, Illingworth, Lightowler, Platts, Boys, Bradley, O'Hara, Hall Areas - North Bierley, Northowram, West Bowling, Horton, Shelf, Allerton, Queensbury, Haworth, Ovenden, Halifax, Luddenden, Midgley, Elland, Littleborough Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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deeiluka
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Trying to transcribe the above images for Charlotte....
Image 1......
West Riding of Yorkshire to wit John Malinforth (?) one of the overseers of the poor of the township of Southowram in the said living  ? who applied for the within order, having this day made oath before us, the within named justices, that the within named Ann ? wife of Thomas Hargreaves is unable to travel by reason of sickness. We, the said justices, do therefore hereby suspend the execution of the within order, until the said Ann ?, wife of Thomas Hargreaves, shall be recovered of her sickness which the said John Malinforth is hereby required to certify to us.
Given under our own hands this 20th day of May 1800
Just. Dixon
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Steeles, Burton, Garrod - Norfolk Bauer - London, France Clarke, Tomblin - Rutland Edwards, Coles, Smith, Nunley, Craddock, York, Linnell - Northants Watts - Wiltshire Ehmcke, Deimel, Appelkamp - Germany Redwood -Devon, Essex Blades, Babb- Surrey Selway, Churchill, Chappell - Somerset Watts - Somerset, Wiltshire Button, Archer, Leach - Cambridgeshire Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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deeiluka
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Image 2.....this one is harder.....and there's a few more gaps.....
West Riding of Yorkshire to wit
whereas it appears to us the within named justices, upon the oath of John Balinforth that the within named Ann the wife of Thomas Hargreaves is dead.
We therefore give our ? to c? the within?? if she ?
John Balinforth, the overseer of the ?? having proved before us the within named justices upon oath, that the charge incurred by the aforesaid of the within order of removal, during the sickness of the poor person within named and ?? expended in/on (?) Ann Hargreaves ??, the amount to the sum of one pound sixteen shillings and ninepence.
We the said justices do direct that the said sum of one pound sixteen shillings and ninepence shall be paid by the church wardens and overseers of the poor of the township of Midgley (in which such poor persons are ordered to be removed ?? the church wardens and overseers of the township of Southowram aforesaid.
Given under our own hands and seals the 21st day of July 1800
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Steeles, Burton, Garrod - Norfolk Bauer - London, France Clarke, Tomblin - Rutland Edwards, Coles, Smith, Nunley, Craddock, York, Linnell - Northants Watts - Wiltshire Ehmcke, Deimel, Appelkamp - Germany Redwood -Devon, Essex Blades, Babb- Surrey Selway, Churchill, Chappell - Somerset Watts - Somerset, Wiltshire Button, Archer, Leach - Cambridgeshire Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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charlotteCH
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Thank you Dee. Poor sick Ann didn't recover- she died and was buried in a pauper's grave in Southowram on 6 July 1800 it seems.
Tough times-
charlotte
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HARGREAVES, HANSON, BAILEY, BURTON, HEWITT, JAGGER, LOCKWOOD, UTTLEY, RUDD, TAYLOR, HOLDEN, SHAW Halifax / Sowerby/ Southowram 18C+
GILL, Accrington, Blackburn, West Derby, Lancs, migrated USA 1891 to RI: GILL in SC: HOTCHKISS in RI: PELOQUIN in RI
HUMPHRIES, HILLIER, ALLEN, LYDBURY Nunney/Frome 18-19C
HUMPHRIES, JOYCE, HEWITT, ROBINSON, McMULLEN, SUFFEL, CARNEY, MARRON, COMPTON, FREEMAN Ont. Canada 1830+
PILSEN, Sask.
82nd Regt of Foot 1808-1825
1st WRY Militia 1780-1800
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