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Ruskie
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Hi Karen,
Well, for you to look up the obits and me to look up the wills we need deaths  , so that might be a good place to start.
I'll start that list now and get back to you.
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MarieC
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I have tried Find My Past but (from what I can see) their records start in 1890 and I think the McGavin's must have moved between 1861 (they were in Scotland) and 1866 (when Mary Reid McGavin married Henry Marsh).
Karenlee and Ruskie, your blood's worth bottling, both of you!
Just wanted to answer Janet's point above. I have been advised that English emigration records, at least what has been preserved, only start in 1890, which is why FMP starts there. It's a blooming nuisance, as I wanted to check a couple of mine who came earlier. Certainly one can check shipping records at this end, but sometimes it would be helpful to check who was leaving England and where from... Oh well!
MarieC
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Ruskie
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Thanks Marie 
Yes it would be good if we were able to check who was leaving as well as arriving. I didn't even know those records existed on FMP - too late for my lot, but worth making a note of.
Do you know what kind of information you would expect to see on these records?
It appears that the later arrival records have more information than the earlier ones (where you only get a name ... if you're lucky  ) - I've even found some which include photos (early 1900's I think and not my family unfortunately).
Just wondering how much information the authorities would bother taking about someone who is leaving the country?
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karenlee
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Janet
I have printed off everything that has come to me by this thread and by PM and will take it all with me to the Library today. I can go over it on the bus on the way into town. First off I will just do a general check that all the dates etc are as they should be and then concentrate on finding those that you don't already have. From there I will check the newspapers and electoral rolls for you. I have a pretty busy late afternoon today - parent teacher interviews at the Teenager's school - so may not get to send anything to you till later tonight, sorry.
Whatever I turn up I will post via PM to both you and Ruskie. Then you can sort out what needs doing next I suppose. I will be heading into the Library at the end of next week or early the week after if you come across anything that I can check for you then.
Cheers
Karenlee
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Thanks Marie Yes it would be good if we were able to check who was leaving as well as arriving. I didn't even know those records existed on FMP - too late for my lot, but worth making a note of. Do you know what kind of information you would expect to see on these records? It appears that the later arrival records have more information than the earlier ones (where you only get a name ... if you're lucky ) - I've even found some which include photos (early 1900's I think and not my family unfortunately). Just wondering how much information the authorities would bother taking about someone who is leaving the country?
Hi Ruskie
Don't have a sub to FMP (though frequently think about taking one out!) but some time ago, Gadget tried to look for my infamous Bentleys on those records, so I know what is there, at least in the record she found!
That particular record only had Mrs Bentley and Mr Bentley (no initials) and no sign of their two children, so I really don't know if they are mine. I haven't been able to find them at this end! It also gives destination port, useful if you don't know where in Aus they got off the ship! And the name of the ship, its master, and where it was bound. Probably could be quite useful - but only for people arriving after 1890!
I would dearly love to be able to check the departure of my WJB Cameron, as I don't have definite arrival details, and a few possibilities which could be him. But alas! - he came several decades too early!
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I just got an email from FMP telling me that I have 2 weeks to use up some credits... can I use them finding someone for you- coz I found who I needed.... and won't need these credits at all...
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Ruskie
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That sounds like quite a useful resource then Marie, for the later arrivals at least
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Hey Ruskie
Just PMd you with some stuff that I found today.... now need for Janet to wake up and see what else I can do....
Karenlee
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Message recieved thanks Karen.
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Gosh, karenlee!!!
What did I say above, your blood definitely IS worth bottling!!
Just let me go to the FMP site and review what they have and make a little list, so that we don't waste your credits. I'll pm you tonight with what I would like to be searched for!
Thank you very much! 
A very grateful MarieC
PS Ruskie, yes it WOULD be a useful resource for later arrivals, but like yourself I don't have any, except for these darn Bentleys who appear to have swum to Australia!
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Have to duck out for a few hours soon...... dropping youngest at the pool, going to a parent teacher meeting at the Teenager's school, then picking up the Teenager from art class before getting the youngest from the pool..... what's all that about "stay at home parents"? 
Just let me know what you are after and I'll get to it after feeding time at the zoo....
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Thanks Karenlee!
PM-ing you very soon. (I also had to go offline and do a number of things!)
MarieC
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Ruskie
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Hi Janet!
I wasn't overburdened with great finds today, but I did get a few bits for you:
From Assisted immigration book 1848-1884
Ship: Cairngorm, arr Brisbane 2 Jul 1863
IMM/112 p:205 film:Z1957
McGavin Matthew age 55
Grace age 54
Eliza age 16
Ship Cairngorm from Liverpool via Greenock
Matthew said he was a labourer
(I thought this was not your family, but see Will below)
From Immigration cards
Ship details:
“Helenslee” sailed from Glasgow to Brisbane
all on board were “Scotch”
William Brown was commander/master
Arr 9 Aug 1862
On this list are just names – top of page is torn off
Robert McGavin
M?
Janet S
Mary R
Robert
John AS
Matthew
Jane
William
Margaret
Passenger list: (awful smudge through page – some words are unreadable but I think we can make an educated guess as to the names)
Cabin:
Robt McGavin 53 (age hard to read)
? 50 female
Janet S 26 female
? 24 female
? ?
John AS 18
Matthew 7
Jane 16
William 13
Margt 8
I could not find any Thomson or Thompson immigrations that fit your family names – Adam is a distinctive name and I could not find him. Also checked David and tried to match up with the more common names like William, Jane, Robert etc (there were quite a few of them ). Perhaps they went elsewhere in Australia or maybe America? Or perhaps only some members of the family with common names came to Australia? There are dozens of Williams for example  .
As Karen found Margaret’s date of death, I looked for her will, which I found. Karen couldn’t find a death for Robert – I double checked but found nothing either. Have narrowed his death down to between 9 Aug 1862 (date of arrival in Australia) and 23 May 1878 (date Margaret wrote her will – she was a widow then).
I looked for any McGavin wills to 1900 in the shiny new “all wills in all Queensland” book. There were only three:
McGavin Margaret (see below)
McGavin James (I looked twice on this film but, frustratingly, was unable to locate this will – if you’d like I can try again next time I go to the Archives)
McGavin Matthew (see below)
Margaret McGavin
Of Rockhampton
Will dated 1878
died 28 July 1886
late of the Rockhampton Agricultural Reserve.
Executors are sons John Adam Skelly McGavin and James McGovern, both graziers, both of the Agricultural Reserve in Rockhampton.
£150 to daughter Margaret McGavin “for her use alone free from any debts or control by a husband”. If Margaret marries her mother states that she wants this money “enjoyed and disposed” of by Margaret as “her sole and separate property, free from marital control or influence”. (Seems like there might be a story behind that ).
She wants to exclude son Robert from all participation in real and person estate (another story )
Unfortunately there is no death certificate included with the will. This may just be a co-incidence, but the second witness to this will is a Walter Thomson (clerk). Wonder if there is any connection to your Thomson family.
Matthew McGavin
Of Brisbane
Died 16 Dec 1874, North Shore Sydney
Was a Minister of the Presbyterian Church
Wife Grace, he left all household goods, furniture and effects and all real and personal estate.
He left Margaret G Bell (his wife’s niece) – bedroom furniture, piano and napery
He left Jane, daughter of his wife & wife of Daniel Clark of Brisbane) all silverware
He left Margaret, daur of wife & wife of James Matthew Banks(?) (I think – can’t read my own writing) of Sydney – mantle clock, and silver spoons marked with his wife’s name.
The rest of household goods, furniture and effects to be divided equally between his children: Robert, James, Matthew and Elizabeth
...more to follow ....
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Ruskie
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... a bit more ....
I also looked for wills for any McGavins in the Central District book which covers Rockhampton 1898-1936 and found these:
William Thomson McGavin
Formerly of Craignaught Morinish, but late of Emu Park Qld, grazier
Died at Yeppoon near Rockhampton on 8 Mar 1933
Executors: Robert McGavin Willoughby Marsh of Lovandee, Nth Rockhampton – grazier and Margaret Jessie Isabel Marsh of Emu Park, spinster.
Description of property:
Furniture £ 43-0-0
Money in Savings Bank £ 28-15-10
Interest in firm of McGavin Bros £ 5897-10-7
All real and personal estate to nephew Robert McGavin Willoughby Marsh and 2 nieces Margaret Jessie Isabel Marsh and Mary Henrietta Rose Marsh
Death Cert:
Died 8 Mar 1933 in the district hospital Yeppoon
Grazier, male 84 years
Died from senile decay
Father: Robert McGavin, grazier, mother: Margaret Skelly
Buried 9 Mar 1933 in Rockhampton Cemetery
Presbyterian
Born Glasgow
Been in Australia in Qld for 72 years
Not married/no children
On the back of the will was written that an explanation was required as to which is correct, Thomson which was on all documents, or Thompson which is how the name is spelled on the d/c.
Mary Reid Marsh
Widow, died intestate on 20 Apr 1899, late of Rockhampton
Son Francis Henry Montgomery Marsh, grazier, is administrator
Other children:
Margaret Jessie Isabel Marsh
Mary Henrietta Rose Marsh
Robert McGavin Willoughby Marsh
Also mentions John Adam Skelly McGavin of Craigsnaught and William Thomson McGavin
Death Cert:
Died 20 April 1899 lived Bolsover(?) St Rockhampton
Widow, age 59 years
Died of Influenza Sy…cope?
Father: Robert McGavin grazier, Mother: Margaret Skelly
Informant: John Murray, brother in law, Bolsover St Rocky
Buried Rocky ceme – Presbyterian
Born Glasgow, 37 years in Qld.
Children: Francis … – 52 yrs
Margaret … 30/36 (couldn’t read number), spinster
Mary … 27, spinster
Robert … 25, station hand
… then I ran out of time...
I’ll let you digest all that. I don’t think there’s actually a great deal that is new to you. Have a think, get it all organized, see where the gaps are, and write me another list of lookups required .
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Ruskie
That has answered at least one important question though............ Robert MCGAVIN did come out to Australia with the rest of his family. So there has to be a death for him somehwere in the Indexes............
I am off to the Library again next week, so I will check between the two dates that you have given and I will see what comes up for a Robert, regardless of surname, with the right parents names ( if shown ).
I sent off all the transcriptions of the deaths and marriages from the Indexes to Janet today, so between us I hope that she now has a much more complete view of the extended family. Finding Robert's death would be a huge bonus though.
When I get back to the Library I will do the births for her as well.
I recommended that Janet contact the Central Queensland Historical Society ( and I am going to send her the address etc ) in case there is something in their Library that pertains to this family. They seem to have been fairly well documented with their businesses etc, so with luck there will be something that helps out a bit more.
Great job by the way. Many thanks for helping to add to the information bank on this lot.......... I can only hope that we have done some good with our searches
Have a great long weekend.......
Karenlee
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