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1851/1861 Census Look-up Please - POWLES
« on: Monday 28 April 08 21:20 BST (UK) »

Looking for the parents and family of Edwin POWLES. Edwin was born c.1847 in Kingsfold
and married in Monmouthshire in 1869.

The 1881 Census shows him as a Mason in Bedwellty, but would like to know his whereabouts in 1851 and 1861.

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« Reply #1 on: Monday 28 April 08 22:34 BST (UK) »

Hi Allan,

1891 census shows his birthplace as Kimbolton, Herefordshire

1861 census RG9/1830 Folio 51 Page 7
Jersey, Kimbolton, Herefordshire
POWLES
Thomas head m 53 Ag. Lab Kimbolton
Emma wife m 44 Corley Shropshire
Edwin son 14 Mason's Labourer Kimbolton
Mary dau 11 Scholar "
Thomas son 8 " "
John son 6 " "
Fanny dau 2 "

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Re: 1851/1861 Census Look-up Please - POWLES
« Reply #2 on: Monday 28 April 08 22:39 BST (UK) »

a different wife for Thomas in 1851 so maybe the wrong one!

1851 HO107/1981 Folio 60 Page 21
Far Heath, Kimbolton, Herefordshire
POWLES
Thos. head m 40 Sawyer Kimbolton
Maria wife m 45 Brimfield
Fanny dau 8 Scholar at Home Kimbolton
Chas son 6 " " "
Edwin " 4 " " "
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« Reply #3 on: Monday 28 April 08 23:08 BST (UK) »

www.familysearch.org has these marriages:
Thomas Powles to Amelia Breaknell 16 Jan 1843 at Kimbolton
Thomas' father named John, Amelia's father Israel

Thomas Powls to Maria Bennett 19 Feb 1829 at Leominster

and these baptisms all at Kimbolton:

With parents Thomas Powles and Maria:
Thomas 26 Sep 1833, Henry 11 Dec 1836, James 22 Mar 1839, Charles 19 May 1844, Edwin 26 Jul 1846

with parents Thomas Powles & Amelia:
Edwin 14 Mar 1847, Thomas 15 Aug 1852, John 27 Aug 1854

so two different families, will look for the others in 1851/61
Both Edwins born within a year of each other!

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« Reply #4 on: Monday 28 April 08 23:24 BST (UK) »

1851 for the first family I found

1851 HO107/1981 Folio 72 Page 12
Jersy, Kimbolton, Herefordshire
POLES
Thomas head m 43 Farm Labourer Kimbolton
Emma wife m 33 Corley, Shropshire
Edwin son 4 Scholar at home Kimbolton
Mary dau 2 "

and 1861 for the other family: - looking likely because of son's occupation - stone mason ??

RG9/1830 Folio 48 Page 1
Red Row, Kimbolton
POWLES
Merriah head Wid 56 Washing Woman Brimfield
Thomas son s 27 Stone Mason Kimbolton
Henry son s 23 Farm Labourer "

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Re: 1851/1861 Census Look-up Please - POWLES
« Reply #5 on: Monday 28 April 08 23:47 BST (UK) »

1841 for both families - you'll need Edwin & Hannah's marriage cert to find father Thomas' occupation, or knowledge of siblings' names to decide which is Edwin's correct family

HO107/429/16 Folio 16 Page 3
Kate Field, Kimbolton, Herefordshire
POWLES
Thomas 30 Ag. Lab
Maria 35
Harriet 12
Thomas 8
Henry 4
James 2
all born in county

HO107/429/16 fol. 16 p.2
Kimbolton
POWLES
John 55 Ag. Lab
Elizabeth 55
Thomas 30
Elizabeth 10
all born in county except wife Elizabeth

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« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 29 April 08 04:24 BST (UK) »

Hi Barbara

Many, many thanks for the effort you've put into this.

As it's now nearing my bedtime, I'll have to scrutinize all these results another time, when my brain isn't so tired....

...and yes, I'm in the process of getting the m/cert for Edwin and Hannah, which should clear things up quite a bit.

Many thanks again for all you've done.

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« Reply #7 on: Friday 23 May 08 02:26 BST (UK) »

Well, I've finally received the m/cert. for Edwin POWLES/Hannah EVANS. Edwin's father is shown as a Mason, which puts Edwin in the family with Thomas/Emma as parents. Edwin is also shown as a Mason (he was a Mason's Lab. in 1861).

The only surprise here is that Thomas (the father) is shown as Mason, but in 1851 and 1861 he was an Ag. Lab. So, at the time of Edwin's marriage (1869) Thomas would have been 61 and changed occupations. Not unusual I suppose but having worked on the land for all those years, then to move into a trade would be quite the change!

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« Reply #8 on: Sunday 25 May 08 14:17 BST (UK) »

Hi Allan,

Glad you think the marriage cert sorted the family out, although in 1871 Thomas is still an Ag. Lab Undecided

maybe Thomas' occupation on the cert is a mistake? Now you're going to need Edwin's birth cert to be really sure
March Qu 1847 Leominster 26/259

1871 RG10/2713 folio 43 page 3
Little Jersey, Kimbolton, Herefordshire
Thomas POWLES head widower 64 Ag Lab Kimbolton
Fanney " dau 13 "

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« Reply #9 on: Sunday 25 May 08 17:17 BST (UK) »

Hi Barbara

Yes, I need to get Edwin's b/cert., that way I'll be sure of both his parents.

Many thanks

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« Reply #10 on: Friday 06 June 08 03:20 BST (UK) »

Edwin's b/cert. shows that his mother was Amelia, formerly Breakwell, and his father was Thomas, a Labourer. So I can now pursue this further.

The other surprise on the b/cert. shows that Edwin was born at 2 a.m.! When I received another b/cert. from a Mon. RO it was explained to me that the time indicates the child was one of twins, triplets, etc. If this is the case, then Edwin's twin must have died at birth because I can't find them for the same period, meaning it wasn't registered. Can there be another reason?

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Re: 1851/1861 Census Look-up Please - POWLES
« Reply #11 on: Friday 06 June 08 09:29 BST (UK) »

Ring the Register Office where you got the Certificate from and ask if this particular Registrar usually put time of birth as sometimes this was the case in early registrations.


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Re: 1851/1861 Census Look-up Please - POWLES
« Reply #12 on: Friday 06 June 08 09:36 BST (UK) »

GRO ref for their marriage is Mar 1843 Leominster 26 213
Amelia BREAKNELL Thomas POWLES

As you say, there is no birth or death registration for another Powles child the same quarter as Edwin in Leominster, so I would guess if a twin, it was a stillbirth ~ or again, as Puffcat says, stating the time was just that registrar's way of entering births

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« Reply #13 on: Saturday 07 June 08 16:55 BST (UK) »

Thanks for this. Had'nt thought that registrars in the 1840's could have entered the time of birth as well.....

The b/cert for Edwin could put Amelia as being formerly BRACKNELL, could go either way with the handwriting, but did a quick search of all entries in Herefordshire in the 1840's and found 2 with that surname (Amelia being one of them) and well over 100 people with the name BREAKWELL, so it could be transcription error so I think I'll go with the name BRACKWELL.

Many thanks again

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« Reply #14 on: Saturday 07 June 08 16:57 BST (UK) »

Oops, did a few spelling errors myself there, should have been BREAKNELL and BREAKWELL.


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