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melonsmum
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I would be very grateful if someone would do a Baptism look-up in the Parish Registers for me. I'm sorry I don't know the date of Baptism. The birth details are as follows:
Registration District: Peebles
Name: SCOTT
Date of Birth: 4th May 1868
Place of Birth: Northgate, Peebles
Sex: Male
Father: Thomas SCOTT
Mother: Jane SCOTT (Formerly BURNS)
Parents Marriage: 16th September 1867, Traquiar Kinowe
Fathers Occupation: Railway Guard
I am hoping that this will prove to be my G Grandfather. I have spent a small fortune on Scotlands People looking at all the Thomas Scotts whose father was also called Thomas and this one seems to be the most likely. As there is no name recorded on his birth certificate I am sure that it will appear on his Baptism Record. I am in Northern Ireland so it would be difficult to do this search myself. Unfortunately the Parish records on SP Website only go up to 1855. So............. Thank you in advance.
Melonsmum
Oh, The parents denomination was Church of Scotland.
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Melonsmum
It's looking good for the family (I've posted as transcribed, you would have to look at the original to see what the entry actually says in respect of place names for births)
Thomas Scott 27, railways pointsman, b. Lyne Manse, Peeblesshire
Jane B Scott 24, b. Naguair, Peeblesshire
Thomas B Scott 4, b. Naguair Keonve, Peeblesshire
Janet H Scott 2, b. Peebles
Wm B Scott 10 months, b. Peebles
Address: Northgate, Peebles
These are the children showing Thomas and Jane on IGI
1. SCOTT Birth: 04 MAY 1868 Peebles, Peebles, Scotland
2. JANET SCOTT Birth: 07 FEB 1869 Peebles, Peebles, Scotland
3. JOHN BELL LORRAINE SCOTT Birth: 13 MAY 1870 Peebles, Peebles, Scotland
4. WILLIAM SCOTT Birth: 29 AUG 1871 Peebles, Peebles, Scotland
Regards.
Monica 
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MonicaLesl
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This looks to be the same family in 1881, again as transcribed:
Thomas Scott 37, railway signalman, b. Peebleshire Lyne
Jenat Scott 47, b. Yarrow, Selkirk Shire
Thomas Scott 14, agr. lab., b. Traquair, Peebles
Janet Scott 12, b. Peebles
John Scott 10, b. Peebles
William Scott 2, b. Peebles
William Scott 66, grandfather, b. Stobo, Peeblesshire
Address: Raveligg Junction (Railway), Currie Midlothian
Melonmum, what do you have on the Thomas you are trying to trace. Do you have his marriage cert (I assume you do as you know the name and occupation of his father). Do you have him on later censuses to confirm his place of birth?
Regards.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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melonsmum
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Hi Monica,
Thanks so much for your replies. This was one of those 'needle in a haystack' jobs as all I had to go on was his marriage certificate & the 1901 & 1911 Ireland Census and a 2nd cousin telling me that he believed that Thomas came from one of the Boarder counties of Scotland.
On his marriage certificate his father was named as Thomas SCOTT, Manager. This completely threw me as to his profession. I know that the family I am looking at in Scotland at the moment was a Railway worker but I have looked at the Scottish Census' before and reackoned that as his job title changed with every passing child and year, it would be possible that he could well have been a Manager by 1892, when Thomas married. It is always possible that Thomas gave his father a better 'occupation' than he really had.
On both the 1901 & 1911 Ireland Census, Thomas states that he was born in Scotland, but no further information than that.
I just feel that if I could get confirmation of this Thomas Scott's middle name from his baptism, then I would know for sure whether or not I am on the right track.
I think that part of me would also like this to be the right Thomas, especially as the IGI has information on the family going back to the 1600's.
Thanks for your interest and help.
Do you have access to Parish Records? or know how I could get access?
Melonsmum
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MonicaLesl
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Sorry, I don't have access to the christening entries. These would not be available on line as I'm sure you have found, and would require a personal look up.
What middle name do you have for Thomas?
Monica
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melonsmum
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Hi Monica,
The middle name that I have for Thomas is Beattie. There is a Thomas Beattie Scott in New Castleton but he is the wrong one.
Do you know how I go about getting a look-up done?
Melonsmum
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MonicaLesl
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I would imagine records and copies of registers would be kept at the National Archives of Scotland (NAS) or at individual churches. Apart from employing a researcher, not sure how else you would go about looking for this information. 
Hopefully someone else here may have more information
Monica
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melonsmum
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Thanks a lot for your interest and help Monica. It is much appreciated. My cousin lives close to Dumfries and I'll be going over to see her in the next 3 or 4 weeks so I will plan to make a trip to Peebles. I have a feeling in my bones that this is the right family and just want the confirmation now.
Thanks again,
Melonsmum
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JAP
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... On his marriage certificate his father was named as Thomas SCOTT, Manager. This completely threw me as to his profession. I know that the family I am looking at in Scotland at the moment was a Railway worker but I have looked at the Scottish Census' before and reackoned that as his job title changed with every passing child and year, it would be possible that he could well have been a Manager by 1892, when Thomas married. It is always possible that Thomas gave his father a better 'occupation' than he really had. ...
Thomas snr's occupation seems pretty consistent on the bc (as quoted by you) and in the various censuses:
1868 Railway Guard
1871 Railway Pointsman
1881 Railway Signalman
1891 Signalman (Railway)
1901 Railway Signalman
Thomas jnr's snr's first wife (and mother of his children) is probably the Jane BURNS b 10 Feb 1847, Traquair Peeblesshire, parents Thomas BURNS & Mary ANDERSON - so that's no help ...
You mention that your Thomas Beattie SCOTT married in 1892 - was this in Scotland or in Ireland? Were there any details of interest on the mc e.g. Thomas Beattie's occupation, age (also in the Irish censuses), etc ...
Good luck,
JAP
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JAP
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Hi again melonsmum,
Here's a (very unreliable) straw at which to clutch ...
Mary ANDERSON, likely mother of Jane BURNS, shows on censuses as born in Yarrow, Selkirkshire ca 1820.
There's an LDS submission for a Mary ANDERSON, bap 7 Apr 1819, Yarrow Selkirkshire - parents John ANDERSON & Mary BEATTIE ...
JAP
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melonsmum
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Thanks very much Jap.
I have that information which is why I'm pinning my hopes on the fact that this Thomas is the right one. I just need the absolute proof that this is my man! In view of the fact that Thomas's mothers maiden name is Burns, it could be that his middle name is Burns. I hope not though!
I have to say, you are all very prompt, friendly and helpful on this Forum, it is much appreciated.
Melonsmum
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MonicaLesl
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I have to admit a nagging doubt Melonsmum (hope I'm wrong though!) that this is the Thomas BEATTIE Scott that you are looking for With Scottish naming pattern, everything would point to the 'B' that shows in the 1871 census entry for the family as standing for BURNS. Specially with the likely name for Jane Burns father being Thomas Burns. There are no birth registrations as you know for a Thomas Beattie Scott apart from the one that you are aware of in Roxburghshire. This is not uncommon. Many children were given middle names that at the time were not included in their birth registration.
We can help you more to look for possibilities if we had some additional info on Thomas, based on questions, some already asked:
1. You have his marriage in Ireland (?) in 1892. I believe like the English marriage certs. only father's details were included. Did father Thomas, manager, show as alive or deceased at the time of his marriage? Were there any relevant witnesses that could connect to his side of the family?
2. What ages (i.e. birth year) do you have for Thomas from his marriage cert and the two Irish censuses?
3. What was his occupation at the time of the marriage and in later years?
4. Wondering if he used any naming pattern for the names of his children. Do you have a relatively complete list of his children in the order that they were born, with any middle names if used. Do you have his wife's parents' names as well?
5. Have you tried trying to track the Thomas B Scott (the one born in Peebleshire) through the later censuses to see whether he still shows in Scotland?
6. Always the possibility that Thomas's family all moved to Ireland sometime after he was born. Have you tried looking for Thomas Snr. there?
Monica
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melonsmum
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Hi Monica & Jap,
Thanks for your replies. I will list out what I know about my Thomas Beattie Scott.
Thomas Beattie Scott married Elizabeth Gordon on 9th April 1892 in Belfast.
Both Thomas & Elizabeth's ages were given as 'Full Age'.
Thomas's occupation was 'Clerk' and Elizabeths was 'Teacher'.
Thomas's Father was, 'Thomas Scott. Manager' and Elizabeths was 'David Gordon, Coachman'.
The witnesses were John Collins and Margaret Gordon. (I have no idea who John Collins was). Margaret was Elizabeths sister.
It was not mentioned whether or not either father was deceased but I have discovered that often it doesn't mention that fact whenever the father is indeed deceased.
On the 1901 Census, Elizabeth's age was 31 and Thomas's was 34.
On the 1911 Census, Elizabeth's age was 41 and Thomas's was 44.
On the 1901 Census Thomas's occupation was 'Clerk, Linen Business' and on the 1911 Census it was, 'Commercial Clerk, Linen Business'.
I have followed him through the street directories and from 1921 onwards his occupation was 'Foreign Correspondent'. Weirdly, on the burial Register his occupation was 'Compositor'. I can only assume that after his retirement he did a bit of part-time work. No one in the family knows anything about him having been a compositor. It could, of course, be a mistake.
Elizabeth was born on 24.09.1868 and died on 27.09.1944 aged 75.
Thomas died on 02.10.1951 aged 85.
Thomas age at death doesn't fit with his age on the census'. Of course, this is not an unusual occurance.
Thomas & Elizabeths Children were:-
Thomas Gordon
Herbert David
Lucinda Florence
Robert James
Eileen Ethel
Elizabeth Maud
Amelia Evaline
It would seem that a lot of the names were fashionable at the time and only 2 appear in Elizabeths family (her mother & fathers, David & Lucinda).
Unfortunately I don't have enough information about Thomas's father to locate him in Ireland.
I did track Thomas through the Scottish census and put the information in 'my shoebox' on Ancestry. As I am no longer a member, I cannot view them, so I can't honestly remember whether I found him or not. (It was a long time ago that I looked at this side of my family).
Maybe with your powers of deduction you may be able to 'see' something that I haven't!
Thanks
Melonsmum
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MonicaLesl
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 This 1901 Census entry is the Thomas, son of Thomas and Jane Burns:
Thomas Scott 34, Railway Engine Driver, b. Traquair, Peebleshire
Gertrude Scott 34, b. England
Robert Scott 8, b. Carstairs, Lanarkshire
Gertrude Scott 7, b. Edinburgh
James Scott 4, b. Edinburgh
Address: 11 Stewart Ter, Edinburgh
Thomas and Gertrude married in Edinburgh 1891.
Monica
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