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castleshaw
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I've come to a halt in my research. My gt.grandmother appears on the 1881 and 1871 census in Clackmannan. I know she was born around 1863 and she died in 1952 but she doesn't appear in the Births on any site. I've tried all ways of spelling her name. On the 1871 census in the birth column it says 'found at Kennet House, Clackmannan' .I have just found an appendage on the Ancestry.com site which says 'born at House - Jame at Hamel'. I wonder if she was illegitimate and is there any way to find out. Hope someone can help me.
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What is her name ?
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Sloey,Slowey,O`Connor ,Hammond,Coulston ,Daily,McCabe ,McCartney,Cunningham ,Martin, McKenna,Cairns Fox,Martin Co Monaghan,Glasgow ,Liverpool,Wolverhampton,Wallasey.
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Hi
Kennet House is in Clackmannan parish and the Kirk Session minutes are at the Stirling Archives (link below) There may be a reference in the minutes.
http://www.stirling.gov.uk/archives
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castleshaw
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her name is Rachel Marr
on later census forms she is written as Rachel Jackson Marr
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Gadget
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Welcome to Rootschat 
This is a bit of a wild card but:
On the 1861 Clackmannanshire:
Kennet Mains, Kennet:
Thomas Marr, 41, land steward, b. Lesmahagow, Lanark
Rachel Marr, 34, b. Lesmahagow
It might be worth following this couple forward/backward to see if there is any relationship.
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Gadget
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I think we might be on to something
It looks as if Rachel was a Jackson - they must be relatives, mustn't they - or did they find her 
on the 1871, they are in Clackmannan
Thomas Marr, 51, land steward & Farms 178 acres for the Lord Burleigh, b. Crawford, Lanarkshire
Rachel Jackson, 43, b. Lesmahagow
Isabella McCadie, 18, general servant, b. Caithness
The 1851 for reference:
Carstairs Mains, Carstairs, Lanarkshire
Thomas Marr, 31, farm servant,b. Crawford, Lanarkshire
Rachel, 25, b. Lesmahagow
In 1881, they are still at Kennet Mains
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castleshaw
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Hi and thanks for your speedy replies. I found these people and thought I was onto something - but on the next census (1871) Rachael Mar(r) appears as a boarder in Clackmannan village age 8. So her date of birth should be about 1863. In 'place of birth' it says 'found at Kennet House'. So I also assumed that the people you found were her parents. Another factor being the Rachel you found was called Jackson before marriage and my gt.grandmother signed herself Rachel Jackson Marr in many instances. But there isn't a record of her birth anywhere. Nor does she appear to have lived with these people. I've been all over the ScotGov. site and nothing. Nothing on the Mormon site. Ancestry.com adds a rider to her birthplace on the 1871 census which says 'place of birth, House, Jame at Hamel'. We even visited Kennet last year (lovely village) and the Library at Alloa who were very interested but couldn't help.
'found at Kennet House' sounds like , on the doorstep....its a strange phrase. Also Jame at Hamel.
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Gadget
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I think it is possible that this couple found Rachel and she was named after them.
Can you give me the reference to her (name, age, residence) on the 1871 census. I'd like to look at the 'Jame at Hamel' on the original census page.
* Now found - I'll take a good look
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I've looked at the original image and it's not Jame at Hamel , It's Found at Kennet House. There is nothing else on the census form. I think it might be one of those slight misreadings in the processing
Does anyone know how foundling children are registered?
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Oh, I forgot to ask, what does it say on her marriage and death certificates as her parents names?
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castleshaw
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On her marriage certificate it says fathers name - Robert Marr. No mothers name asked for and she signed her own name as Rachel Jackson Marr.
Her death certificate has no section for parents name.
I saw the entry saying 'found at Kennet House' - but when I looked on Ancestry.com - this extra bit was in where born(see below). It states that their info comes from ScotGov. but I can't see this on the site. However, I 'm not impressed with the Scottish Gov. site as most of the time it just comes back with 'not known' and I know for certain that the person is on the various census forms.
Rachael Mar aged 8, boarder born ?House, Jame At Hamel
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castleshaw
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I think you're right about the mis reading/typing. Now I see it enlarged as you sent it thru' - I could imagine someone reading it as 'House, Jame at Hamel'. So I'm back to 'found at Kennet House.'
If they found her and took her in, do you think there would be documents....also, if they didn't formally adopt her, I'm sure I read somewhere that all births had to be registered in Scotland from 1854. I'm sure she would need her birth certificate for various official thing in later life. I know she went to France in 1919 to visit The Menin Gate (her eldest son was killed in the Ypres Salient) - so I'd have thought she needed a passport for that.
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I don't think she'd need a birth cert in those days, although I'll check on an early passports site for you later.
I'm thinking that it might be better to move this to the Clackmannanshire board as people there might have information about how such matters were handled. You don't have to do anything, I'll ask a Mod to move it
Not everyone - even with known parents - had their births registered in those days.
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Hi, I'm grateful for any help you can give. This is the first time I've visited a forum so am feeling my way round....shall I do nothing and you'll have my query posted it elsewhere?
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