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Topic: Liverpool arrivals from Germany 1880 (Read 630 times)
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aghadowey
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Have you looked at both pages of the passenger manifest for Liverpool to N.Y. voyage? should give details of person he's going out to as well as name and address of nearest relative at home.
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jorose
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There are no shipping records in the UK for ships to/from Europe. Only those coming from further afield were recorded. Occasionally a European passenger will show up, if for example a ship from NY stopped off at a German port and took on a couple more passengers before arrival in Liverpool. Currently there are also no indexes for ships entering the UK, only those leaving (from 1890 onwards), although I believe the indexing of the inwards ship lists is on the 'to-do' list.
You might have some luck if he left from Hamburg, as the Hamburg emigration lists are now on Ancestry. I believe that the Bremen emigration lists were almost entirely destroyed, though.
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Svenja
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My relatives from Saarbrucken area near French border went to America by way of Antwerp, Belgium.
There is also the possibility that the voyage started from Havre/France or Rotterdam/Netherlands.
"I am interested in Josef Thomas who was born in Alsace ca. 1853."
Do you know where in Alsace he was born? Do you need some more information about this? By the way in 1853 the Alsace belongs to France, after the war of 1870/71 it belongs zu Germany, and after WW1 it belongs again to France.
Best regards
Svenja
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Switzerland + USA: Iten, Letter, Schwager
Germany/Bavaria: Beinberger, Schleich, Pracht/Bracht
Germany/Franken: Weidner, Reuss, Beifuss, Trenkert
I can read and write German, English and French.
I can translate from Italian and Latin to the above languages.
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Svenja
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Hi Cheryl
I could put your query in a German forum which has also a subforum for the Alsace.
But if you don't know more exactly where he was from, I think it will have no success.
What do you mean with the US-records: Censuslists or his mariage/death record or birth
records of his children? Did he travel alone to the US? If not, who travelled with him? When
and where he got married? Which was the name of his wife? And where did she come from?
Best regards
Svenja
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Switzerland + USA: Iten, Letter, Schwager
Germany/Bavaria: Beinberger, Schleich, Pracht/Bracht
Germany/Franken: Weidner, Reuss, Beifuss, Trenkert
I can read and write German, English and French.
I can translate from Italian and Latin to the above languages.
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Cheryl_US
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Hi Svenja,
Yes, on his marriage records, death record, census records and children's records his origin appears as any one of the following: Germany, France, Alsacia, Elsass, and Alsace. His naturalization was too early to have useful info, and the record I am looking at as a possible match for his ship record also just states Germany. (As the details on the record are minimal, it's tough to say it's him for certain.)
His wife was from Karlsruhe, Baden. (I have the info on her family.) They married in New York. The record states that he was previously married, but I don't know who/where as I haven't found a match in NY. He purchased a new cemetery plot when his second wife died, so it's possible his first wife did not die here. His parents were Andreas/John Thomas and Rosalie Rief, both born "France."
Cheryl
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Warwickshire: Sadler, Shepherd, Wilday, Bickley
Lancashire/Ireland: Tynan, Nelson
Middlesex: Touzelin
Scotland: Monro
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Svenja
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Hi Cheryl
I had a look at the Database for Emigration from Southwest-Germany
where I found the following person who could match:
Name: Josef Thomas
Emigr. Year: 1880
Continent: Westeuropa
Place of Origin: Rotenfels, Stadt Gaggenau, RA
Destination: Frankreich
Archive: Generallandesarchiv Karlsruhe
Name: Eduard Thomas
Emigr. Year: 1880
Continent: Westeuropa
Place of Origin: Rotenfels, Stadt Gaggenau, RA
Destination: Frankreich
Archive: Generallandesarchiv Karlsruhe
http://www.auswanderer-bw.de/auswanderer/index.php?sprache=de&suche=1
If this Josef Thomas is he right one he emigrated officially to France
and then he travelled illegal from Le Havre to the USA. But first you
should try to find out, if this Josef Thomas is the right one.
You can try to get a copy of the original documents of the Emigration
from the Generallandesarchiv at Karlsruhe. But I don’t think there is
much more information like p.e. the names of the parents.
Or you can try to obtain his birth record and see if his parents were
Andreas Johann Thomas and Rosalie Rief. Maybe his first marriage
was also at Rotenfels Gaggenau, so you can try to obtain this record.
You should search for his birth record in the churchbooks and for his
marriage record and the death record for his first wife in the civil registry
office. But I don’t know if they search for a ten years period of time.
The catholic churchbooks are in the Diözesanarchiv at Freiburg/Breisgau
and the protestant churchbooks are in the Landeskirchliches Archiv at
Karlsruhe http://www.ekiba.de/Archiv/ but maybe they still are at the
parish which Rotenfels Gaggenau belongs to.
The civil registry office where you should write to is the one of Gaggenau:
http://www.gaggenau.de/personenstandswesen.3739.20,1,25,42,91.htm
Best regards
Svenja
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Switzerland + USA: Iten, Letter, Schwager
Germany/Bavaria: Beinberger, Schleich, Pracht/Bracht
Germany/Franken: Weidner, Reuss, Beifuss, Trenkert
I can read and write German, English and French.
I can translate from Italian and Latin to the above languages.
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Svenja
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Hello again
I have just searched on the website of the Mormons (LDS) with name
Josef Thomas and country France. So I have just found on the 1881
british census a list of crew members for the vessel "Vanguard" in
Hepburn, Northumberland, England. The master of this Vessel at this
time was James Longstaff. One of the crew member was Joseph Thomas,
25 years old, marital status is unknown, birthplace is in (BS) France,
occupation is A.B. Does BS mean british subject and what means A.B.?
http://www.familysearch.org
Greetings
Svenja
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Switzerland + USA: Iten, Letter, Schwager
Germany/Bavaria: Beinberger, Schleich, Pracht/Bracht
Germany/Franken: Weidner, Reuss, Beifuss, Trenkert
I can read and write German, English and French.
I can translate from Italian and Latin to the above languages.
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