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George Day - death, Walthamstow
« on: Thursday 01 May 08 18:42 BST (UK) »

Hi

I am looking for a possible Death of George Day b 1834, Bishop Stortford, and possibly died in 1879-1881, Walthamstow

His wife Emma is living on her own in the 1881 Census and her youngest child is 1 year. 

Thanks,

Dee
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Darling - Gosforth, Northumberland
Darling - Hartford Bridge, Bedlington, NBL
Darling - Dunstan/Embleton, NBL
Heward - High Spen/Winlaton, Durham
Day - Bishop Stortford, Hertfordshire
Day - Walthamstow, Essex
Day - Croydon, Surrey
Day - Tauton, Somerset
Day, Lowestoft, Suffolk 
Tucker, Lowestoft, Suffolk
Tucker, Broadstairs/Ramsgate, Kent
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Re: George Day - death, Walthamstow
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 01 May 08 19:17 BST (UK) »

Hi Dee

Is Emma a widow in 1881?
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Re: George Day - death, Walthamstow
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 01 May 08 19:29 BST (UK) »

I was thinking the same thing so just checked. Emma is listed as unmarried rather than widowed, which begs the question, is it the right Emma.

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Re: George Day - death, Walthamstow
« Reply #3 on: Friday 02 May 08 03:51 BST (UK) »

Hi:

Emma is shown as unmarried, which confused me.  I'm pretty sure it's the same Emma Day - same age and birth location and she did have a mother named Betsey - who had been married a couple of times.  Emma's kids also have the last name day and she is shown as their Mother - so the unmarried reference is strange.  So I think it's her.

My mother who is now 91 -  always understood that Walter George was in a workhouse or something - but didn't know why or when.  So I'm thinking that perhaps something happened to the Dad (sick, ran off, or died) and the older kids were out on their own, middle kids to a workhouse and little ones still at home. 
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Darling - Gosforth, Northumberland
Darling - Hartford Bridge, Bedlington, NBL
Darling - Dunstan/Embleton, NBL
Heward - High Spen/Winlaton, Durham
Day - Bishop Stortford, Hertfordshire
Day - Walthamstow, Essex
Day - Croydon, Surrey
Day - Tauton, Somerset
Day, Lowestoft, Suffolk 
Tucker, Lowestoft, Suffolk
Tucker, Broadstairs/Ramsgate, Kent
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Re: George Day - death, Walthamstow
« Reply #4 on: Friday 02 May 08 09:48 BST (UK) »

The "unmarried" could be wrongly recorded and maybe should have read widowed. Equally, if Emma had been deserted by her husband, although almost certainly not divorced, she might have classed herself as unmarried. Do you have a marriage certificate for them because it is also possible that she took his name without ever bothering to marry - one of my lot did this for many years and only married after five children had been born. This was my g.g. grandmother, who used her husband's surname on the 1861 census, though they didn't marry until 1867.

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Essex: Howe French Cant Annis Noakes Turner Marshall Makerow DUCK Spurden HARMONY
N.E.Scotland: Howe Shaw Raitt Milne Forsyth Birnie Crichton Duncan McBeath Daniel Hay Robertson Jaffrey Smith McDonald Alexander Craighead
NR Yorks: Bushby Smith Bland Iley Cunion Kendrew Thornbury Favell Lonsdale Crossland Rudd Pratt Gibson
Westmorland: Dickenson, Jackson Ewbank Waller
Staffs: White Knight
Surrey: Knight
Durham: Smith
Hants: Williams Grose Lush Venson
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Re: George Day - death, Walthamstow
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 03 May 08 05:10 BST (UK) »

Here is what I know:

I have been able to follow both on the census in 1841 & 1851 before marriage.

I don't have the marriage certificate, but they were married on
Nov 8, 1858, Bethnal Green (familysearch.org  Emma Jago & George Day).
 In 1860 they have their 1st son Thomas, born Harlow.  I have that document from (Seax)
In the 1861 Census - they are at Maidenhead Yard, Hertford - with their baby Thomas
In 1868 - my Gr Grand Walter George Day was born - I have the birth certificate
(parents Emma Day (formerly Jago) & George Day
In the 1871 Census - they are at Shernhall Street, Walthamstow Essex - and now have 5 kids
In the 1881 Census -
Thomas Day abt 1861 b Harlow Essex, Lodger living with the Putman's and he's a shoemaker in Walthamstow
Emily Day abt 1864 Manuden Essex , visiting Annie & Edward Jago, Epping Essex
Elizabeth Day  abt 1866 Walthamstow, Essex -neice visiting Charlotte Jago - London
Emma Day - appears to be living in Leyton - 1 Hampden Terr  - this could be a different Emma Day -- however her age and birth location match.
Emma Day 1840 Bishop Stortford  head/mother
Jesse Day 1875 Walthamstow   dau
Ernest 1880 Walthamstow.        son
Betsey Cole 1821 Leyton Essex (Possibly Emma's Mother - formerly a Jago but remarried George Burgess in 1850, after her 1st husband died - perhaps she married a 3rd time to a "Cole"? 
William Wright  1830, unmarried, boarder, Bruton, Somerset
According to family rumour Walter George Day may have spent some time in a workhouse or something while he was growing up.  I think that George Day might have died although I can’t find a record for his death nor can I locate him anywhere. The older kids were out on their own and the youngest were with Emma and perhaps the 3 middle children went to a workhouse?  There is a record for George, Harriet and Percy at the West Ham Union School in Leyton Low.  Their birth locations and ages are a bit off though.

There is a possible death for Emma Day (BMD 4th QTR 1888 West Ham)
No idea who looked after Jesse & Ernest after Emma Died.

1891Thomas Day is married and in Croydon, Surrey
Percival E. Day  is a boarder nearby at the Horse & Groom Pub, Croydon, Surrey

Percival later joins the military, serves in India, retires from the military and makes his home in Taunton, Somerset. (personal knowledge)

Walter George - unknown in 1891 - but gets married in 1892 in Lowestoft, Suffolk - I have the certificate - also personal knowledge

No idea who the girls married or what happened to them? 

So ..... my best guess is that the father George Day died and left Mom with lots of kids, around 1879 -1880, just before or just after Ernest was born. 
But I have nothing to prove that he died - although he never shows up on a census anywhere.

I would like to find some record to confirm that Walter George was in a workhouse, and I would like to determine if his father's death may have preceded this event. 

Dee
 

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Darling - Gosforth, Northumberland
Darling - Hartford Bridge, Bedlington, NBL
Darling - Dunstan/Embleton, NBL
Heward - High Spen/Winlaton, Durham
Day - Bishop Stortford, Hertfordshire
Day - Walthamstow, Essex
Day - Croydon, Surrey
Day - Tauton, Somerset
Day, Lowestoft, Suffolk 
Tucker, Lowestoft, Suffolk
Tucker, Broadstairs/Ramsgate, Kent
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