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Topic: Birth or baptism record for Hannah Bunn, born about 1809 (Read 313 times)
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patrish
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There is a baptism recorded on the IGI of a Hannah Bunn 10.October . 1813 at Thurnham, Kent.
Father Joseph Bunn mother Elizabeth
Thurnham comes under Maidstone registration district.
It an extracted record so the accuracy is not guaranteed.
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this information is Crown Copyright. from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk London Hall, Thurston Stanley, Phillips, Ayrton, White, Morrish, Smith. West Ham/Barking Saint,Briggs, Essex Barker, Hampshire Kill, Kent Spong, U.S.A Earp, Scotland/Cumbria Templeton, Devon Morrish, Chudley |
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Thanks Patrish, I heard about that one but don't think it 100%. You see, I believe Hannah gave birth to George in 1828 which would make her a bit too young. She did have John in 1830 in the workhouse, and she was listed in 1841 aged 32, visiting the Cox family at Capel.
Also, I'm pretty sure her mother was Sarah.
Can I ask you what does 'extracted record' mean? Obviously I'm a bit of a dummy at all this, but keen to learn 
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Kent: Bunn, Cox, Bassett. Essex: Bunn. Cornwall: Warren. NSW: Cox, Kimball. Vic: Bunn, Warren, Kimball. Boston, MA: Kimball
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Hi Bunny,
You should bear in mind that a baptism is not the actual birthdate, they may have been baptised several years later.
Why are you so sure that her mother was Sarah  also she could have been Elizabeth Sarah but used her middle name, happened all the time.
I wouldn't discount it, the fathers name is correct so is the place of birth.
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this information is Crown Copyright. from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk London Hall, Thurston Stanley, Phillips, Ayrton, White, Morrish, Smith. West Ham/Barking Saint,Briggs, Essex Barker, Hampshire Kill, Kent Spong, U.S.A Earp, Scotland/Cumbria Templeton, Devon Morrish, Chudley |
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Gosh, I never thought of that! Would they wait until she was 4? Also, do you think, or know, if all babies were ultimately baptised? Could they remain un-so??
Its just that I've never located baptism records for her children - George, John, or Harriot. Supposing, as they were bastards, that they weren't ever baptised...... would that be a reason why John maybe hadn't been married, as he stated he was!
Also, were all marriages in churches? Was it possible that some were 'civil' marriages and maybe the records weren't kept as reliably?
Gee, I guess I just want to confirm that John Bunn did marry Mary Ann Cox in Barming, in June 1853, as he so often stated. Bad enough that he was fatherless for us, but to not marry the mother of his 7 children seems a bit tough.
Why I was sure it was Sarah and not Elizabeth Sarah , is that she signed her letters Sarah and Sarah was recorded on death info, in 1865 in Adelaide, South Australia. But you're right - that doesn't mean anything.
Would Thurnham be a likely residence? The Coxes in Capel took in John, and 1841 census has Sarah aged 50 and George aged 12 living at New Barn (not sure where that is either).
Am I asking too much ? Hope not. Thanks for your help
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Kent: Bunn, Cox, Bassett. Essex: Bunn. Cornwall: Warren. NSW: Cox, Kimball. Vic: Bunn, Warren, Kimball. Boston, MA: Kimball
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Thanks Patrish, I heard about that one but don't think it 100%. You see, I believe Hannah gave birth to George in 1828 which would make her a bit too young. She did have John in 1830 in the workhouse, and she was listed in 1841 aged 32, visiting the Cox family at Capel. Also, I'm pretty sure her mother was Sarah. Can I ask you what does 'extracted record' mean? Obviously I'm a bit of a dummy at all this, but keen to learn
Hi Bunny
to answer your question, an Extracted Record is normaly taken from a Parish Register's. so are usually very accurate
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Harby,Garton,Drury,Duncombe,Booth,Catton,Barker, Kirkby, Wilson. Lincolnshire, Also Murkin's, Jeffery,Pettitt,Carter, from Suffolk/Cambridgeshire boarder Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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You could be baptised at any age whatsoever, some families even did block ones where several were done at once. so the answer is yes.
Its more than possible that if the children were illegitimate they may not have been baptised, one of my own gt. grandmothers is like that, no sign of a baptism anywhere.
No not all marriages took place in church although most of the earlier ones did.
I have looked at the complete marriage index's for 1853 and cannot see it.. I will take a look either side of that date tomorrow, its way past my bed time here in the UK . 
I am not sure as to Thurnham but Capel is Kent I live in Kent and there is a New Barn quite close to me but its a long way from Capel : but closer to Barming 
I cannot see another New Barn on an up to date map though.
Patrish
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this information is Crown Copyright. from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk London Hall, Thurston Stanley, Phillips, Ayrton, White, Morrish, Smith. West Ham/Barking Saint,Briggs, Essex Barker, Hampshire Kill, Kent Spong, U.S.A Earp, Scotland/Cumbria Templeton, Devon Morrish, Chudley |
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Between 1754 and 1837 all legal marriages took place in Anglican churches - the only exemptions being for Quakers and Jews. From 1837 onwards marriages were allowed in non-conformist churches provided the local registrar was present and in registry offices.
The IGI coverage for Kent is not very good - pre 1813 it has about 30% coverage of Kent parish registers for at least some periods. IGI coverage of parish registers decreases after 1813 for all counties.
All the places you mention in Kent can be found on Google maps
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4HPEA_en-GBGB236GB236&tab=wl
There are errors in the General Regisrty Office index for births marriages and deaths. In some places either councils or Family History Societies have indexed the certificates held by local registry offices. You can find places where such an index exists at this website.
http://ukbmd.org.uk/
Kent is one such area (the modern area of Kent not the historic county which was larger)
http://extranet3.kent.gov.uk/sp/rois/home.html
People who married after the birth or births of their oldest children had a tendency in retrospect to adjust the date of their marriage. To gain an assisted passage when they emigrated proof of such a marriage could be a requirement. One couple I have researched had 12 children before marrying just before they left. Thereafter on Australian certificates the year of the marriage was adjusted to 'legitimise' all their children.
Illegitmate people had a tendency to not always maintain one surname, sometimes shifting between either their mother's maiden name, their mother's married name (as in their step-father's name) or their genetic father's surname.
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Valda
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thanks all for this great info, and good night to those in the UK
I'm just loving all this
Oh, by the way, John Bunn emigrated as a singleton, and it seems Mary Ann came 4 or so years later under her maiden name, Cox. this may have been to gain free passage as single ladies got that. However, its looking more and more likely that they weren't married. Nothing in the Aus records either! Johnn did stick to the June 1853 in Barming story - each child registered had that info ??
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Kent: Bunn, Cox, Bassett. Essex: Bunn. Cornwall: Warren. NSW: Cox, Kimball. Vic: Bunn, Warren, Kimball. Boston, MA: Kimball
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According to the census enumerator's schedule New Barn was in East Maidstone and covered:
"All that part of King Street Ward in the town of Maidstone which lies to the north east of the Sandling Road and to the west of Quarry Row Thornhill & the footpath leading to the parish boundary at Habour Land."
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Middx - Vaus, Roberts, Eversfield, Inman, Star, Holbeck, Wyatt, Bickford, Smith, Redwood
South Stoneham, Hants - Small, Hammerton, Grist, Fryer, Trodd
Beaulieu/Boldre, Hants - Woodford, Croutear, Beck, Bendell, Keeping, Harding
Kent - Bayly, Borer, Mitchell, Plane, Vernon, Farrance, Chapman, Medhurst, Lomax, Wyatt
Devon - Tope, Bickford, Foster
YKS - Quirk, McGuire, Benn
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Hert - Barnes
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I am pleased to see that Valda and Bearkat have been able to give you more in depth information than I was able to, thats the beauty of this site, if one cant another can
Checked the complete marriages 1852 and 1854 none sorry.  It probably as Valda has suggested. I used to work not far from the village of Sandling .
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this information is Crown Copyright. from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk London Hall, Thurston Stanley, Phillips, Ayrton, White, Morrish, Smith. West Ham/Barking Saint,Briggs, Essex Barker, Hampshire Kill, Kent Spong, U.S.A Earp, Scotland/Cumbria Templeton, Devon Morrish, Chudley |
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There is a marriage Joseph BUNN to Sarah BASSETT 1828 at Thurnham - is this a different Joseph or could it be a second marriage for "your" Joseph thus making the 1813 baptism of Hannah BUNN at Thurnham possibly "your" Hannah
http://woodchurchancestry.org.uk/midkentmarriages/index.php
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Thanks so much for looking at this. I have learned in the meantime that Sarah was Joseph's third wife and the mother of George Bunn. Hannah was daughter of 2nd wife, Elizabeth. Hannah was indeed baptised at the age of 4! Mother passed away before that so maybe she was very sick or something. Still hunting for birth/baptism details of George Bunn, born 1828. He's always been a bit shady but now it seems he's a half-relative so not quite as excited. Hannah did have another what would seem illegitimate child after John. Harriet was born around 1838/9 so I'm trying to find out what happened to her.
Warm regards, and thanks again. Bunny
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