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Help reading place name on census
« on: Saturday 03 May 08 00:12 BST (UK) »
Hi everyone,

I have an entry in the 1851 census for a man living in London, who is recorded as being born in Cambridgeshire.  I'm having difficulty reading or locating the place that has been recorded.  Can anyone offer suggestions?  In subsequent census his birthplace is only recorded as Cambridgeshire.



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Alison
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BAKER, TILLETT, SMITH, THEOBALD, ANDREWS, NAUNTON, UNDERWOOD - Suffolk
LISH, HARMAN, HARLAND, LELLIOTT, WOOLGAR, WOOLVEN, FAIRS - Sussex
McGEE/MAGEE, LISH, WITHERS, PITMAN - London
WITHERS - London, Gloucestershire
PITMAN - London, Kent
ATTRILL, BOURNE - Isle of Wight
CADWALLADER - Wales
KNIGHT - Northamptonshire
O'LEARY - Ireland
BEGGS, BANDEAN, BROWN, SCOTT, DEWAR, RICHARDSON, RAMSAY - Scotland
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Re: Help reading place name on census
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 03 May 08 00:17 BST (UK) »
I should add that the entry can be found at HO107/1550 Folio 200 page 53 Schedule 223 if anyone would like a look at the entire entry.  It looks to me like EISHAM but I can't find this place anywhere, so I'm at a loss.

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Alison
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BAKER, TILLETT, SMITH, THEOBALD, ANDREWS, NAUNTON, UNDERWOOD - Suffolk
LISH, HARMAN, HARLAND, LELLIOTT, WOOLGAR, WOOLVEN, FAIRS - Sussex
McGEE/MAGEE, LISH, WITHERS, PITMAN - London
WITHERS - London, Gloucestershire
PITMAN - London, Kent
ATTRILL, BOURNE - Isle of Wight
CADWALLADER - Wales
KNIGHT - Northamptonshire
O'LEARY - Ireland
BEGGS, BANDEAN, BROWN, SCOTT, DEWAR, RICHARDSON, RAMSAY - Scotland
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Re: Help reading place name on census
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 03 May 08 00:24 BST (UK) »
Hi Alison

Just wondered if it was Isleham, might have been pronounced wrong Huh

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Harby,Garton,Drury,Duncombe,Booth,Catton,Barker, Kirkby, Wilson. Lincolnshire,
Also Murkin's, Jeffery,Pettitt,Carter, from Suffolk/Cambridgeshire boarder
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Re: Help reading place name on census
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 03 May 08 00:32 BST (UK) »


Possibly Witcham ??  Undecided
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Re: Help reading place name on census
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 03 May 08 00:38 BST (UK) »
I thought that Annie till I enlarged the writing and it looks like an (E) or (I) to  begin with Huh

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Harby,Garton,Drury,Duncombe,Booth,Catton,Barker, Kirkby, Wilson. Lincolnshire,
Also Murkin's, Jeffery,Pettitt,Carter, from Suffolk/Cambridgeshire boarder
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« Reply #5 on: Saturday 03 May 08 00:46 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the suggestions so far.  I'll have a look at Isleham as it's sound plausible that it's been recorded phonetically.  The letter written immediately above the "E" or whatever it is, is a lower case 't' for Shoreditch, so I can't see how that wiggle above the letter is a tail from the letter above.  There is still a chance it could be a "W". Below is an upper case 'W' from the same gentleman's occupation.



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BAKER, TILLETT, SMITH, THEOBALD, ANDREWS, NAUNTON, UNDERWOOD - Suffolk
LISH, HARMAN, HARLAND, LELLIOTT, WOOLGAR, WOOLVEN, FAIRS - Sussex
McGEE/MAGEE, LISH, WITHERS, PITMAN - London
WITHERS - London, Gloucestershire
PITMAN - London, Kent
ATTRILL, BOURNE - Isle of Wight
CADWALLADER - Wales
KNIGHT - Northamptonshire
O'LEARY - Ireland
BEGGS, BANDEAN, BROWN, SCOTT, DEWAR, RICHARDSON, RAMSAY - Scotland
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Re: Help reading place name on census
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 03 May 08 00:51 BST (UK) »


You may be right Ricky ... people do talk funny there !!  Cheesy Cheesy
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Re: Help reading place name on census
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 03 May 08 00:58 BST (UK) »
Hi Annie

your right there, and just for the record I only live here, I still got my Lincolnshire accent Grin Grin Grin Grin

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Harby,Garton,Drury,Duncombe,Booth,Catton,Barker, Kirkby, Wilson. Lincolnshire,
Also Murkin's, Jeffery,Pettitt,Carter, from Suffolk/Cambridgeshire boarder
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« Reply #8 on: Saturday 03 May 08 01:09 BST (UK) »


So you can understand when I tell you then Ricky -

that a Scouse in Godmanchester wasn't readily understood for quite some time !!  Roll Eyes Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Re: Help reading place name on census
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 03 May 08 01:14 BST (UK) »
Quote from: liverpool annie on Saturday 03 May 08 01:09 BST (UK)


So you can understand when I tell you then Ricky -

that a Scouse in Godmanchester wasn't readily understood for quite some time !!  Roll Eyes Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Must have done their heads in Annie, Grin Grin Grin Grin Was bad enough when I came down here in 1971 with just my Lincs accent, Me mother wanted to send me to elecutions lessons when I came to live in Cambridge so I could talk proper English like they dos here Grin Grin Grin
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Also Murkin's, Jeffery,Pettitt,Carter, from Suffolk/Cambridgeshire boarder
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Re: Help reading place name on census
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 03 May 08 01:21 BST (UK) »
Hi Alison

If it is Isleham, the place is quite close to the Cambridge/ Suffolk boarder, and they do have an accent, took me  a while to understand my OH as she comes from the same area

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« Reply #11 on: Saturday 03 May 08 01:24 BST (UK) »

I have to say it really looks like a W to me on the image !!  Roll Eyes ..... they indexed it as Wishaw .... but it's not that and the only other place is Wisbech ....... but I don't think it's that either !!  Undecided

Oh Mum .... that's a hard one !!  Undecided
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Be who you are and say what you feel -  because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind !
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Re: Help reading place name on census
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 03 May 08 01:38 BST (UK) »
It is a hard one, just had a look for Blunt's on the 1841 for Cambridgeshire, most of them lived at Whittlesey, March, Haddenham or Wentworth area, and funny enough Witcham is very close to some of them places

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« Reply #13 on: Saturday 03 May 08 01:48 BST (UK) »
 Roll Eyes Tell me about it!

The gentleman in question is Clement BLUNT born about 1796 in ? Cambridgeshire. He married for the 2nd time to Caroline TURNWOOD in 1832 at St Dunstan, Stepney, London.  He is recorded as a Widower and she a Spinster.  In the 1841 census he has 2 children, Clement Jnr and George both aged 15 so could be aged anywhere between 15 and 19. They are both recorded in this and subsequent census as being born in London/Middlesex.  So he must have been in London c1820.   I've got to admit Clement is starting to annoy me with his elusiveness!!  Wink  A quick look at Isleham on the IGI came up with a blank so I'll give Witcham a try.

Thanks for all the suggestions!  Smiley
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BAKER, TILLETT, SMITH, THEOBALD, ANDREWS, NAUNTON, UNDERWOOD - Suffolk
LISH, HARMAN, HARLAND, LELLIOTT, WOOLGAR, WOOLVEN, FAIRS - Sussex
McGEE/MAGEE, LISH, WITHERS, PITMAN - London
WITHERS - London, Gloucestershire
PITMAN - London, Kent
ATTRILL, BOURNE - Isle of Wight
CADWALLADER - Wales
KNIGHT - Northamptonshire
O'LEARY - Ireland
BEGGS, BANDEAN, BROWN, SCOTT, DEWAR, RICHARDSON, RAMSAY - Scotland
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« Reply #14 on: Saturday 03 May 08 01:53 BST (UK) »
There is a Stephen BLUNT on the IGI baptising a daughter in Witcham in 1795! so I'll follow that lead a little closer!  Thank you both.
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BAKER, TILLETT, SMITH, THEOBALD, ANDREWS, NAUNTON, UNDERWOOD - Suffolk
LISH, HARMAN, HARLAND, LELLIOTT, WOOLGAR, WOOLVEN, FAIRS - Sussex
McGEE/MAGEE, LISH, WITHERS, PITMAN - London
WITHERS - London, Gloucestershire
PITMAN - London, Kent
ATTRILL, BOURNE - Isle of Wight
CADWALLADER - Wales
KNIGHT - Northamptonshire
O'LEARY - Ireland
BEGGS, BANDEAN, BROWN, SCOTT, DEWAR, RICHARDSON, RAMSAY - Scotland
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