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Topic: DAVIDSON family - NEWBURGH 1893/KIRKCALDY FROM 1908 (Read 1009 times)
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GrandmaSheila
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William Randolph Davidson b1861 married Mary Black b29.08.1870 in Cowdenbeath on 02.01.1893 in Dunfermline. Looking for the birthplace of William Randolph and in turn information on his parents William and Barbara and their parents.
They were my husbands grandparents and had the following children:
Elizabeth c1894 Dunfermline the remainder were born in Newburgh:
Magdalen c1895, Mary c1897, Wilhemina c1899, John William c1900, Charlotte c1901, Thomas c1902 and Alexander Wishart 1903.
I found Mary and her family in the 1901 Census but William is not with her so I have been unable to find out where he was born. I have their marriage certificate and both William and his father William were Miners. At the time of William and Marys marriage both his parents were deceased (his mothers ms is listed as Davison).
At the time of their marriage William was living in Bruce Street, Dunfermline - Marys family had a Lodging House there, her mother was Lodging House Keeper and her father deceased. 
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Davidson, Black, Wishart: Fife, Shaw,Morton, McNeice, Gray: Antrim/Scotland
Aldred, Wright, Kirkman, Hurst,Byrom, Hart, Grimshaw,Openshaw: Lancashire
Hughes: Mold/Wigan
Cubby, Williamson: Cumberland/Wigan
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GrandmaSheila
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Thank you Sue,
Aberdour - Aberdeenshire
I have been looking for William Randolph for so long, that is why in desperation I have come on to this site I have posted his name just about everywhere.
I also found one born 1861 in Ayr - mother Barbara, father William but then he married someone else when I traced him.
Just have to keep looking and hope that there are some Davidsons out there who are doing their family trees.
Sheila
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Davidson, Black, Wishart: Fife, Shaw,Morton, McNeice, Gray: Antrim/Scotland
Aldred, Wright, Kirkman, Hurst,Byrom, Hart, Grimshaw,Openshaw: Lancashire
Hughes: Mold/Wigan
Cubby, Williamson: Cumberland/Wigan
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KirstyG
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Hi Shiela
Do you have the marriage certifiacates for any of William Randolph's children? They should give you a guide as to when he died. Then you would be able to seach Scotlands People for a death certificate which might give you details about his parents and place of birth.
Kirsty
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Galloway, Landers, Lindsay, Gillespie, Irvine
Erskine, McAdam, Hawthorn
Robertson, Duncan, Edmonstone, Black
Anderson, Nicholson, Crombie, MacDonald
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GrandmaSheila
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Hi KirstyG,
I have the marriage certificate for his son Alexander Wishart he married Mary Shaw in 1929 and at that time his father is a Builder's Labourer. Alexander and Mary married in Glasgow - on the certificate he is named as William although on the IGI birth (Scotland) and his own marriage certificate he is named as William Randolph.
Thank You
GrandmaSheila
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Davidson, Black, Wishart: Fife, Shaw,Morton, McNeice, Gray: Antrim/Scotland
Aldred, Wright, Kirkman, Hurst,Byrom, Hart, Grimshaw,Openshaw: Lancashire
Hughes: Mold/Wigan
Cubby, Williamson: Cumberland/Wigan
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Sheila
The IGI entry you refer to is a submitted entry. Probably taken from the name including Randolph /age on his marriage cert.
Did William show as a bachelor on his 1893 MC and have you been able to identify the witnesses to his marriage to Mary?
Regards.
Monica 
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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GrandmaSheila
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Hi Monica,
William Randolph was a Bachelor on his MC the Witnesses were:
Johan Black (Marys younger sister) and it looks like James Doolan or Deelan
Sheila
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Davidson, Black, Wishart: Fife, Shaw,Morton, McNeice, Gray: Antrim/Scotland
Aldred, Wright, Kirkman, Hurst,Byrom, Hart, Grimshaw,Openshaw: Lancashire
Hughes: Mold/Wigan
Cubby, Williamson: Cumberland/Wigan
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MonicaLesl
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So no more clues there!
William was dead by early 1921 at the time of the marriage of his daughter Wilhemina. He is down as a printer for occupation.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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GrandmaSheila
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On Alexanders marriage certificate William is listed as a Builders Labourer - he wasn't married until 1929 so I presumed William Randolph was still alive as it does not say deceased.
How did you get the information from Wilheminas marriage certificate - sorry I am rather new to this!!
Regards
Sheila
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Davidson, Black, Wishart: Fife, Shaw,Morton, McNeice, Gray: Antrim/Scotland
Aldred, Wright, Kirkman, Hurst,Byrom, Hart, Grimshaw,Openshaw: Lancashire
Hughes: Mold/Wigan
Cubby, Williamson: Cumberland/Wigan
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MonicaLesl
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I had a look at her marriage cert on Scotlands People. Father shows as deceased, mother Mary Black doesn't. Alexander was a witness at the marriage in Kirkcaldy
William didn't die in Fife between 1903 and 1921. Wonder where the family was during those years?
It is also notable that none of his daughters, and he had many, were called Barbara after his mother. His father's name featured strongly with the naming of Wilhemina and John William but no ref. to a Barbara (I suppose there could have been an early death)
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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 There's Barbara, born in 1907 in Newburgh!
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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GrandmaSheila
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Born in 1907 - we were under the impression that Alexander b1903 was the youngest. He later had a daughter Barbara so the family link to the name goes on.
The family at the 1901 Census are living at Sweery Lodging House, Newburgh and Mary is Lodging House Keepers Wife. All the children excepting the eldest were born in Newburgh.
Thank you for all your help.
Sheila
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Davidson, Black, Wishart: Fife, Shaw,Morton, McNeice, Gray: Antrim/Scotland
Aldred, Wright, Kirkman, Hurst,Byrom, Hart, Grimshaw,Openshaw: Lancashire
Hughes: Mold/Wigan
Cubby, Williamson: Cumberland/Wigan
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Sheila
The problem you have now is linking the info you have from his marriage to either a birth or a death.
The most obvious birth is the one you have seen with the mother Barbara Hardie who died in the 1870s and as you say, from the censuses it looks like father William remarried. From William's 1893 MC, father had died by this time. It may be that at the time of his marriage to Mary, William did not remember his mother's maiden name. From IGI, there are no illegitimate births of a William showing for a mother Barbara Davidson, so the likelihood is that William D. and Barbara Hardie were his parents. You might want to check whether William Snr (husband of Barbara Hardie) had died by 1893 to help you at least verify some of the info on the MC.
You're not helped in looking for William born c.1861 in the censuses by the fact that he seemed to have a wide range of jobs. Everything I have seen seems to have a different occupation.
It would be good to find his DC (although I'm not sure it would necessarily have any new info but you never know). However there are 26 entries showing for a William b. 1860 +/- 3yrs in Scotland (the Fife ones are not him) between 1907-1921 - too many for you to view on line unfortunately.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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GrandmaSheila
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Monica
Thank you for that information - this has always been the problem when searching for William Randolph the fact that neither he nor his father seem to be about at the time of the census.
We now have a Barbara we never knew about to add to the mix.
This is becoming rather addictive.
Thank you so much
Sheila
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Davidson, Black, Wishart: Fife, Shaw,Morton, McNeice, Gray: Antrim/Scotland
Aldred, Wright, Kirkman, Hurst,Byrom, Hart, Grimshaw,Openshaw: Lancashire
Hughes: Mold/Wigan
Cubby, Williamson: Cumberland/Wigan
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Still searching for William (Randolph) Davidson - I now find that Barbara Davidson b1907 was a twin she was born on 13.09.1907 at Sweerie House, Newburgh, Fife and her sister born 5 minutes later was named Robina. On the birth certificate their father is just named as William and is a Linoleum Worker. Their birth was registered on the 26th October at Newburgh.
Grandma Sheila
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Davidson, Black, Wishart: Fife, Shaw,Morton, McNeice, Gray: Antrim/Scotland
Aldred, Wright, Kirkman, Hurst,Byrom, Hart, Grimshaw,Openshaw: Lancashire
Hughes: Mold/Wigan
Cubby, Williamson: Cumberland/Wigan
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Age 1 b Aberdour