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Photo ID and date please? I'm so excited about this one!!
« on: Monday 12 May 08 01:10 BST (UK) »

Could some one please tell me a little about this photo please? If the information I have is correct it should be circa 1862! And has it been coloured previously do you think?

I have waited a couple of months for photos to come from the USA from a member of my Wells family.  The photo is of Henry Wells born in 1846.  Henry's brother James b 1843 was my Gt gt Grandfather.  Henry's wife Sarah was sister to James wife Martha, my Gt Gt Grandmother.  I now have as close an idea of what my 2xGts would have looked like since I got these photos. I'm very excited!!!

This photo looks to be good quality and my "cousin" owns the original, but the one of Henry and Sarah together is only a copy of a copy, which is disappointing.  However it's so much better than nothing.

I would really appreciate some help with the date confirmation and what type of photo it might be please!  A minimal clean would lovely as well so that it lives on for my NexGens.  This poor soul was a hurrier in the coal mines as a child (listed on the census)

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Re: Photo ID and date please? I'm so excited about this one!!
« Reply #1 on: Monday 12 May 08 02:29 BST (UK) »

One from me

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Re: Photo ID and date please? I'm so excited about this one!!
« Reply #2 on: Monday 12 May 08 02:42 BST (UK) »

Hi Jill  Smiley

What a lovely picture!  It looks like an Ambrotype (on glass) or a tintype (on metal) - probably the former actually, looking at it more closely.  YOu could confirm that with your rellies.

The date could easily be 1860s  Smiley

It looks like the poor boy was working in the mines - look at his hands, although his face has scrubbed up well, there's no getting the coal dust out of the skin on his hands  Undecided

Oh, and the tinting on his cheeks would have been added by the photographer or his assistant, i.e. at the time the photo was produced.

Lucky you!
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Re: Photo ID and date please? I'm so excited about this one!!
« Reply #3 on: Monday 12 May 08 02:59 BST (UK) »

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Hi Irene, that is sensational, really really beautiful and tastefully restored, thanks so much.  Grin Grin Grin

Thanks for the ID Prue, there are so many "brick walls" in the family history game and then you strike gold!!!!  Grin Grin Grin

In the census we learned that his occupation was Hurrier in the coal mines.  None of us knew what that word meant so I Googled it.  The horror of the job left us feeling ill. Here is a URL worth a look for anyone who hasn't heard of what "Hurriers" did in the 1800s.

http://www2.halifaxtoday.co.uk/calderheritage/halifaxworkingconditions.htm

Henry however emigrated to South Dakota with his family and built a homestead.  They had 16 children!

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Re: Photo ID and date please? I'm so excited about this one!!
« Reply #4 on: Monday 12 May 08 13:30 BST (UK) »

I read the link to the "hurriers", I cannot believe how those poor kids lived just over 150 years ago.
Nowadays they would be upset if they had to clean their bedrooms.
How times have changed.
Great picture though.
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Re: Photo ID and date please? I'm so excited about this one!!
« Reply #5 on: Monday 12 May 08 13:41 BST (UK) »

Hi,
Yes, his hands say it all, don't they.
I have copy made from an ambrotype, and the eyes lok really staring, but I was told that they had been painted in. I suppose lots of the early photographers were artists and photographers, too.
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« Reply #6 on: Monday 12 May 08 14:25 BST (UK) »

You're right Dave, they were so much more resilient then, but nothing excuses the use of child labour in that way. Especially when you read that it was only after 1842 that it was made illegal to use children under 10 in this way.  The really hard thing for my family to come to terms with was that William Wells, Henrys Dad, was the collier that he was a Hurrier for.  I guess it was that or starve - if that's any excuse!  No wonder he escaped to the USA for a better life.  They called their youngest son, born in South Dakota, Freedom Coultas Wells, which says it all!!!

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Re: Photo ID and date please? I'm so excited about this one!!
« Reply #7 on: Monday 12 May 08 14:44 BST (UK) »

Yes Jill, some of my rellies worked in the weaving industry from as little as 9 years old accoring to the census it beggers belief!!
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Re: Photo ID and date please? I'm so excited about this one!!
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 13 May 08 00:12 BST (UK) »


Rossdal, you should sue Bob Dylan on behalf of your family for stealing Henry's image.
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Re: Photo ID and date please? I'm so excited about this one!!
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 13 May 08 00:17 BST (UK) »

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Hi Moroc,

That's a beautiful version of Henry's photo, I love it!   Smiley Cheesy Grin Grin

You're right, I kept wondering who he reminded me of, but I couldn't quite put my finger on it.  he does look like Bob Dylan!!

Thanks so much for this brilliant colour photo of Henry!  Kiss

Cheers,
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Re: Photo ID and date please? I'm so excited about this one!!
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 13 May 08 14:12 BST (UK) »

Welllll....Dylan's from Minnesota...Minnesota's right next to S Dakota.....you do the math Grin Grin Grin

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Re: Photo ID and date please? I'm so excited about this one!!
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 13 May 08 17:09 BST (UK) »

I didn't know that China, I'll have to ask the question of the "cousin" who sent it, he lives in SD, and let you know!!!!  Grin

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« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 13 May 08 22:39 BST (UK) »

"In the census we learned that his occupation was Hurrier in the coal mines.  None of us knew what that word meant so I Googled it.  The horror of the job left us feeling ill. Here is a URL worth a look for anyone who hasn't heard of what "Hurriers" did in the 1800s."

If you want to know what life was like down the pit visit the National Mining Museum http://www.ncm.org.uk/ and do the underground tour.
Children not old enough / strong enough to haul the carts were employed to open air tight doors, the only light they had was when someone (hurrier) went by with a candle.
There's an exhibit of a miner hewing coal, his wife hauling the coal and young son opening the airtight door
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« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 14 May 08 00:57 BST (UK) »

Thanks for the URL Steve, it looks like a fabulous resource. I can't wait to send it to my 9 year old Grandaughter, who is showing a genuine interest in our family history.  She has done a presentation at school on "hurriers" as a result of being so shocked when she read the information on what they did and the environment that they worked in.

She will be able to get a much better idea of how the whole coal mine function, from your URL.

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