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Purpletuan
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Hi, I'm looking for information about my paternal grandmother.Her name was Minnie Eugenie Read and I believe she was born in 1895.I don't know where she was born, but in October 1915 she gave birth to my late father, Frank Ernest Read in the Portsmouth Workhouse.At the time she was in service in a house in Silver Street Southsea. I have a shortened birth certificate for my father which doesn't name the father so I would imagine she was unmarried and Read would be her maiden name. When my father was three years old she left him with a family called Dunk and apparently disappeared.The Dunks were living in Brighton,Sussex and my father remained there all his life.Any help or thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Kathy.
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Newf
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I'm pretty sure that a 'Short' Cert wouldnt show all the details you need ?
Might be worth getting a full Cert to be 100% sure ?
Altho as Mothers Maiden name of Read is shown on the Index, I guess thats it 
Births Dec 1915
Read Frank E Read Portsmouth Vol 2b Page 688
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER 1678, Gt BardField, Essex EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY 1711, Ickleton, Cambs DAVISON 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK 1850, Carlisle KEW 1814, Carlisle |
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Newf
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Is this her - not a 100% match on the forenames ?
Births Dec 1894
Read Minnie Ida M , Portsea Vol 2b Page 489
Belay that ..
Deaths Mar 1896
Read Minnie Ida M M 1 Portsea 2b 329
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER 1678, Gt BardField, Essex EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY 1711, Ickleton, Cambs DAVISON 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK 1850, Carlisle KEW 1814, Carlisle |
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jorose
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http://www.portsmouthrecordsoffice.co.uk/ has some records for the workhouse - you might find something about her there.
A Minnie Read married in early 1918 in Portsmouth district to Albert R. Dodman. She may have remarried in 1921 to Walter J. Cripps, still in Portsmouth. (There is a 1918 death on cwgc for an A. R. Dodman of the Royal Sussex regiment - http://www.roll-of-honour.com/Sussex/WorthingCDE.html - according to this he was Albert Richard Dodman but his wife is not listed).
I can't find anything about a Minnie _Eugenie_ Read at all. Minnie Ida M. Read died soon after birth, it looks like.
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Purpletuan
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Hello Everyone!
Thank you all for your interest in the search for Minnie Eugenie Read. I think I might have misled you in saying the birth cert. was a shortened one.It is actually a Certified Copy of an Entry of Birth which was issued for the purposes of Juvenile Employment Exchange. It was issued in November 1931 when my father would have been 16years old.This was where I got the information about the Workhouse(although it actually states the birthplace as 265 Milton Road Portsmouth.)There is a definite blank where the father's name should be.
Regarding the Minnie who married Albert Dodman----I found them in the BMD and sent for the marriage cert. I was very excited until I researched her and found she was born around 1870 which I felt was too old. I visited Portsmouth Records Office and had a look at the Workhouse Creed Book.Minnie is listed as being born abt 1895. She appears to have admitted herself twice ---once in August before Frank was born and then again in February 1916.She did have him baptised in November 1915.
So now I guess it's back to the drawing board!
Regards Kathy.
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jorose
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Okay, so we know from the workhouse records that her birth is about 1895, confirmed.
We have a possible address - 25 Silver Street, Southsea, and another link to a family Dunk in Sussex - what else do you know about them? (Was she maybe working for them, or was there possibly a family link?)
Did she use the full name, Minnie Eugenie Read, on the workhouse records also?
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Newf
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so we know from the workhouse records that her birth is about 1895, confirmed.
is it ?
Its certainly what they were told when she signed on, and would be a 'respectable' age....
If Eugenie is defo her middle name, its surprising it wasnt on a birth entry ?
theres only a very few people registered as Minnie Eugenie .....
I agree that the Dunks link is very worthwhile pursuing .....
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER 1678, Gt BardField, Essex EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY 1711, Ickleton, Cambs DAVISON 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK 1850, Carlisle KEW 1814, Carlisle |
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Purpletuan
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Let me tell you a bit about the Dunk family.The unmarried daughter---Beatrice Maud Dunk(hereafter known as Auntie Maudie), born 1892 so of a similar age to Minnie (if Minnie's DOB is correct), brought Frank up from 1918 in Brighton.It was always said she was his foster sister so I don't think he was officially adopted.He stayed with her until he married my mother in 1941 when they moved to a flat. I came along in 1942(the only child) and in 1946 we moved in with Auntie Maudie because she was "all alone in a 3bedroomed house".I moved out in 1964 & Auntie Maudie died in 1971.On her death cert. Frank is described as her son, but I don't for one minute believe he was her biological one. Auntie Maudie was more like a grandmother to me than any blood ones I might have had.As well as researching my own family tree (97% my mother's side plus us three Reads!) I am researching the Dunks in the hope that I might find a link to Minnie.I wish I'd listened more closely and asked questions when the people who might know something were still alive! I seem to remember talk of Auntie Maudie being in service so maybe that's where they met.I wonder if they were both at Silver Street? We tried to find records of who lived at no 25 but apparently there weren't any records kept between 1911-18 because of the war years.This was from Portsmouth Records. My daughter & I are planning another visit to the Records to see if we've missed anything.We're in West Sussex so it's not too far! Auntie Maudie also served in the NAAFI but maybe that was WW2? Another little snippet---my dad always believed his father was an Irish soldier who died in WW1 but I think that was a bit of wishful thinking.
I hope I haven't bored you all rigid but I get so frustrated, I really would like to know where my dad and I come from. I know it's what he would want me to do for him.
Thanks for listening!
Kathy.
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Newf
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Love to hear all this stuff - its the raison d'etre for membership, the challenge of a mystery !
lets mull it over for a while ...... 
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER 1678, Gt BardField, Essex EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY 1711, Ickleton, Cambs DAVISON 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK 1850, Carlisle KEW 1814, Carlisle |
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Have you got Beatrice Dunk (and ancestors) on the censuses? If not just say. I may have found her earlier when I did look for Dunks, then realised there were loads of Dunks in Brighton and i didnt know if I had the right ones!
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Is this Auntie Maudie in 1901 - in Newhaven rather than Brighton
RG13 918 43 40
Chapel Street Newhaven
James Dunk 31 Brewers Copperman bn Lewes
MAry L wife 31 bnKent
James V 10 bn Heathfield Sx
Beatrice M 9 bn Newhaven
Frederick Newnham boarder
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Purpletuan
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Yes please --let's all mull it over.The more heads the merrier! Beatrice Dunk is the right one! Her mother's maiden name was Leeves and they all originate from around Heathfield and Lewes in East Sussex. Real country people!
I can't keep up with this!!!! I've just checked Auntie Maudie's death cert & it says she was born in Heathfield----I wonder if Dad got it wrong? I always thought it was Newhaven.I'm not sure when they moved to Brighton, but the house was built between 1902 and 1909.They were definitely there by 1918.Maudie's grandfather was in Brighton as far back as 1881 so there were connections.
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Hi
Just thinking sideways here and could be way off beam...
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the only Minnie E Read birth in Portsmouth I can see is in Jul qtr 1911 mother's maiden-name Dibden Vol2b Page 932 and a marriage of a Minnie E Dibden to an Alfred E Read in Portsmouth Apr qtr 1911 Vol2b Pg957. Minnie Dibden is 7 in 1901 so right age to be Minnie E Read who gave birth to your father in 1915. I know this Minnie didn't give a maiden-name of Dibden or father's name but maybe if she had had an extra marital dalliance whilst Alfred was away at war??
Jan 
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P.S. I forgot to say that on the Workhouse records she is listed as Minnie Read.Sorry!!!!
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