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Topic: The Lusitania Sinking & Philips Park Cemetery (Read 4394 times)
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BarbaraH
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I tried putting the names Lovett and Welsh into the Burial Records before they went off the air again, cos Bursy (I think) had mentioned them already - and the other names that Ken & Emms had. Didn't find anything conclusive though. I was going to check them again tonight but the site's gone again!
And I had a look on the Times digital archive, which has lots of personal announcements in the deaths column for Lusitania victims. But they all tended to be for funerals held 'down south'.
Barbara
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Newton Heath/Failsworth: Greenwood, McGibbon, Fishwick, Berry LANCS: Holt, Greenwood, Greenhalgh, Ballard, Threlfall,Fishwick, Berry CHES/DERBYS: Holt, Goodwin, Grant, Vernon LANARK & regions: McGibbon, Bryson, Smith, Campbell YORKS/LINCS: Taylor, Stamford, Fishwick. Bartholomew Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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BarbaraH
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Here's an interesting article about rioting in Liverpool, Manchester and Salford following the Lusitania sinking;
http://www.mcrh.mmu.ac.uk/pubs/pdf/mrhr_02ii_panayi.pdf
Although it doesn't say anything about the actual Lusitania victims, it gives an idea of what was going on around the time.
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Newton Heath/Failsworth: Greenwood, McGibbon, Fishwick, Berry LANCS: Holt, Greenwood, Greenhalgh, Ballard, Threlfall,Fishwick, Berry CHES/DERBYS: Holt, Goodwin, Grant, Vernon LANARK & regions: McGibbon, Bryson, Smith, Campbell YORKS/LINCS: Taylor, Stamford, Fishwick. Bartholomew Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MancsMan
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What a great read - Thanks Barbara
What it has given me is names of newspapers and dates to look at.
Ken
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Hilton - Wiltshire, Prestwich, Manchester Millington - Manchester, Birmingham Harris - Manchester, Salford, Southern Rhodesia, Aston Manor Birmingham, Temple Balsall, Knowle Jones - Higher Broughton, Cheetham Hill, Denbighshire Lawton - Prestwich, Manchester Smith - Manchester Carey - Manchester Cotterell - Lambeth, London Fletcher - Middleton, Manchester Capper - Manchester Fancy a chin wag on Faceb**k http://www.rootschat.com/links/07bv/ |
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lusysinking
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Hi-
My name is Mike and I am the author of the Lusitania- Lest We Forget articles. Would it not be easy to just go to the Manchester library and look at the local paper to see the May 1915 coverage? That way you can find out through the funeral notices if any Lusy victim was buried at that cemetery or if any survivors gave any accounts to the local paper?
Mike
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MancsMan
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Hi Mike
And welcome to rootschat
What a great read - Thanks Barbara
What it has given me is names of newspapers and dates to look at.
Ken
It would have been great to find this family/person? hitting the library was the next thing to do -but other projects have over took this one now, it's a shame but thats life 
Ken
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Hilton - Wiltshire, Prestwich, Manchester Millington - Manchester, Birmingham Harris - Manchester, Salford, Southern Rhodesia, Aston Manor Birmingham, Temple Balsall, Knowle Jones - Higher Broughton, Cheetham Hill, Denbighshire Lawton - Prestwich, Manchester Smith - Manchester Carey - Manchester Cotterell - Lambeth, London Fletcher - Middleton, Manchester Capper - Manchester Fancy a chin wag on Faceb**k http://www.rootschat.com/links/07bv/ |
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lusysinking
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Hi there-
Thanks for the warm welcome. Oh I know... Time does get away from us. I live in the US and what I do is that I email the UK libraries and ask them to try and find local survivor accounts in a time frame. Sometimes they are very nice and sometimes I never hear from them! There is a Lest We Forget three coming. It fixes any errors in one and two and of course, new and exciting stories and twists of fate.
Do you have the new book- Lusitania- An Illustrated History of the Ship of Splendor by J. Kent Layton. It truly is the best book on the entire history of the ship. Nice testimonials from people who sailed on it during it's career.
We just did a tribute to Lusitania survivor Barbara McDermott in the journal I write for- Voyage. She was the last one with any memories. She was a good friend and I miss her very much.
Hope to help you in the future.
Mike
www.titanicinternationalsociety.org
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MancsMan
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Hi Mike
I dont know if you have read all this posting, but this hunt came about via a manchester council website stating philips park cemetery contained
2 vc winners
2 survivors of the charge of the lightbrigade
and a family from the lusitannia
The 2 vc winners were known about, but we managed to find the 2 of "the six hundred" which are now on findagrave website.
Maybe one day I will get back to this research and find them.
Nice Titanic site "not seen that one before"
Regards
Ken
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Hilton - Wiltshire, Prestwich, Manchester Millington - Manchester, Birmingham Harris - Manchester, Salford, Southern Rhodesia, Aston Manor Birmingham, Temple Balsall, Knowle Jones - Higher Broughton, Cheetham Hill, Denbighshire Lawton - Prestwich, Manchester Smith - Manchester Carey - Manchester Cotterell - Lambeth, London Fletcher - Middleton, Manchester Capper - Manchester Fancy a chin wag on Faceb**k http://www.rootschat.com/links/07bv/ |
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lusysinking
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Hi Ken
Yes, that is all very intriguing. I'll ask my friends Geoff and Cliff. They are in England and would know better than I. I will report back to you with their findings. Yes, I am one of the trustees with TIS. The quarterly magazine is nice. Color covers, glossy pages, 50-60 pages. Pretty well-rounded- not just Titanic. Lusitania, Olympic, and all the great ships.
Mike
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MancsMan
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Mike
Excuse the pun but "welcome on board" again 
The name author Eric Sauder "R.M.S. Lusitania" provided seems to have run it's course into a dead end.
So any help would be much appreciated
Regards
Ken
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Hilton - Wiltshire, Prestwich, Manchester Millington - Manchester, Birmingham Harris - Manchester, Salford, Southern Rhodesia, Aston Manor Birmingham, Temple Balsall, Knowle Jones - Higher Broughton, Cheetham Hill, Denbighshire Lawton - Prestwich, Manchester Smith - Manchester Carey - Manchester Cotterell - Lambeth, London Fletcher - Middleton, Manchester Capper - Manchester Fancy a chin wag on Faceb**k http://www.rootschat.com/links/07bv/ |
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lusysinking
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Hi Ken-
Yes, sometimes you hear from people once and that is it. I am sure you meet researchers like that all the time. I heard from Cliff. He says he will go through his notes when he gets home. Thanks for the warm welcome.
Very best
Mike
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lusysinking
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Hi Ken
A friend said it might be the Martin-Davey family.
Mike
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liverpool annie
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Hi Mike and welcome to RootsChat !! 
The only Martin - Davey I found - was this one ...... Mrs. Elizabeth !!
This name was not on the list of passengers. Knowledge of her comes from the list of interments at Cobh in which she was identified as body #35, female, age 53 years, 2nd class passenger, Common grave A.
DAVEY Mr. and Mrs. Martin
DAVEY Arthur Vancouver British Columbia. Passengers - second cabin.
All 3 above were on the Sunday May 9 list of missing and probable dead.
DAVEY Miss Annie - She was not on the Sunday May 9 list of missing and probable dead.
MARTIN Charles D. Pittsburgh PA. Passenger - second cabin - On the Sunday May 9 list of missing and probable dead.
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lusilist/LusitaniaPassengerList.html
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MancsMan
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Mike, Annie
I cannot find them on the manchester burials site - BUT we all know what trouble that site has been over the last year  . I will try to check out the registers
Ken
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Hilton - Wiltshire, Prestwich, Manchester Millington - Manchester, Birmingham Harris - Manchester, Salford, Southern Rhodesia, Aston Manor Birmingham, Temple Balsall, Knowle Jones - Higher Broughton, Cheetham Hill, Denbighshire Lawton - Prestwich, Manchester Smith - Manchester Carey - Manchester Cotterell - Lambeth, London Fletcher - Middleton, Manchester Capper - Manchester Fancy a chin wag on Faceb**k http://www.rootschat.com/links/07bv/ |
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lusysinking
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Hi Annie
They had only been in Canada since 1914. They were originally from England. The thing is- the body need not be recovered in order to have some sort of memorial stone.
Mike
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emmsthheight
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Hi Mike
Welcome to Rootschat. This topic's fascinating and it's great to have someone else with some input.
Yes, I was thinking the same thing about them not necessarily being buried there. You missed the fantastic photo's Ken took for me of Moston, but of the people on the gravestone, two were buried at Heywood, and one on the continent - Belgium I think. the stone doesn't give all theat. Just Heywood.
Taking that a step further, if there's a War Memorial i Phillips Park, do we know if there are Lusitania victims, even not buried here, and if there were, anyone who had another member of the family buried in Philips Park could roughly fit the description.
Apologies if anyone's mentioned that. I can't just see it, but we've covered a lot of ground.
Best wishes all.
Emms
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