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Topic: The Lusitania Sinking & Philips Park Cemetery (Read 1909 times)
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MancsMan
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Mike
This is the only bit of evidence that a burial took place - but no one's knows a thing about it - from the grave diggers to admin staff at manchester burials
http://www.philipspark.org.uk/PhilipsPark/Medlock_Valley_Places/Philips_Park_Cemetery/
This is a new link the one on page one of this posting had changed
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Hilton - Wiltshire,Prestwich Manchester Millington-Manchester, Birmingham Harris - Manchester, Salford, Southern Rhodesia, Aston Manor Birmingham, Temple Balsall, Knowle. Jones-Higher Broughton, Cheetham Hill, Denbighshire Lawton - Prestwich, Manchester Smith-Manchester Carey - Manchester Cotterell - Lambeth, London Fletcher-Middleton, Manchester Capper - Manchester Census info is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MancsMan
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Yes Philips Park does have a war memorial and I have looked at it a dozen times, but cant ever recall seeing lusitania on it. But will recheck on my next visit, this will be soon - believe it or not but we have to dig up the father-in-law 
Ken 
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Hilton - Wiltshire,Prestwich Manchester Millington-Manchester, Birmingham Harris - Manchester, Salford, Southern Rhodesia, Aston Manor Birmingham, Temple Balsall, Knowle. Jones-Higher Broughton, Cheetham Hill, Denbighshire Lawton - Prestwich, Manchester Smith-Manchester Carey - Manchester Cotterell - Lambeth, London Fletcher-Middleton, Manchester Capper - Manchester Census info is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Warwick B
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Re: Replies #30-41, relating to George Arthur GILPIN (GA for simplicity)
I am the grandson of Lily Gilpin, GA's sister. Here's what I know about GA, which came from my Grandma (b.1872, d.1960) and Uncle George her son-in-law, who died in 1981.
GA grew up in Salford. His father James Gilpin died in the period between the 1881 and 1891 censi - I haven't dug up the details yet as to when. Times were tough and the family was split up for a while. GA went to live with his grandparents, the Shaws at 22 Museum Lane, Leeds, Walter his younger brother is recorded in the 1881 census as a member of "Hunt's Band" at Chatham Hospital, Manchester. His mother, my grandma and her twin Rose were staying with Louisa Calvert, his Aunt, at 77 Regent Rd. Salford.
By 1891, the family was almost re-united at 42 Wynford St. Salford, with the exception of Rose. My grandma mentioned that she had been separated by these circumstances from Rose and felt this deeply. She had never seen her again, I believe, but I haven't followed up on Rose either. GA is recorded as a clerk and Walter an engineer, turner in 1891.
What happened in the gap from 1891 to 1915 is vague to say the least. Various pieces of the puzzle are
-GA seems to have worked in the banking business
-he moved to central America (San Salvador) in the 1890's
-he must have risen up the heirachy quite quickly, as he was wealthy when he died
-he never married: maybe British banks preferred to send single men on foreign postings. Much cheaper for them.
-he may have worked for a British Bank in Salvador (family rumour said the Bank of England, but I doubt they would have an outpost there, unless it was an agency!). Reference to Banco de Salvadorina in one shipping list as a "friend" seems odd. Sounds more like a bank, which might have been given as a reference.
-My mother mentioned that there was a Union Jack full of bullet holes that GA had given to my grandmother, which seems to have disappeared. It was said to have flown on the bank's flagpole. Possibly a disaffected client expressed his feelings with bullets. I can understand the sentiment, although not the method, today, as banks teeter in the UK and USA! I'll try to find more on this from my cousin and whether there are any other artifacts
-Another story had it that GA was the honorary British consul in Salvador. Sounds a bit far-fetched, but he may have worked in some capacity in the consulate
-He is said to have survived the sinking of the Lusitania, and managed to swim ashore, but died of grievous wounds, or was found dead on the shore. Uncle George told me he was buried in Ireland.
-I haven't seen his will, but my grandma was undoubtedly one beneficiary. She lived in comfort for most of the rest of her life - her funds ran out when she was in her 80's. She named her house, in East Keswick, Leeds "Salvador"!
That's about it. Travel must be in the family blood, as after growing up in the UK, I have lived in Perth, WA;Montreal, QC and now in the Sydney, NSW region!
Hope this helps
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emmsthheight
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Hi Warwick B and welcome to Rootschat.
Thank you for sharing those details with us. How absolutely fascinating!
You sound as if you've been doing a bit of research yourself in between moving around the world. There may well be things that we can find at this end, or point you in the right direction, if you'd like people to.
If he left a will, and you'd like to see it, there is a very good chance you would get some more details. Unfortunately, not usually where he is buried, just where he died. Where it is will depend where his property is.
If it was all with his wife, then it may have been proved in Manchester with a copy in York, but if it is scattered it will have been at a bigger court though there should still be a copy at York. Basic details are in the wills calendar, in some record offices etc. There may well be an announcement of the death in the Manchester Evening News too.
It's great to hear from a real member of the family though.
Thank you for replying.
Best wishes.
Emms
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Warwick B
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Thanks Emms.
A bit more checking has shown that the bank GA worked for was the London Bank of Central America. He was already its representative in 1899 in some dealings with the Empresa de Aguas de Juayua in Salvador which was mentioned in a thesis on the web which you can find by googling "George Arthur Gilpin". It's in Spanish which I only have a basic knowledge of, so I haven't translated it yet.
As you surmise, I have done some genealogical research before, but on my father's side, where I am presently bogged down in the 1600's. I have just started to look at my mother's side and this was prompted yesterday by the sudden impulse to check out GA after all these years, on seeing the book on the "Lusitania" in my bookcase!
I will delve into the matter of GA's will. My problem is accessibility: if it's not on the net then I have to rely on email approaches to libraries, archives etc. I visit the UK at least once a year and I hope to pursue the Gilpins in 2009!
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MancsMan
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Hi Warwick B
I agree with Emms, what a fascinating story and family connection, it would be a real good read his will, if you ever get hold of it.
It now looks like George can be ruled out of a Manchester burial, with your uncle thinking he was buried in Ireland.
R well never mind the hunt continues.
Best Wishes
Ken
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