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Topic: The Lusitania Sinking & Philips Park Cemetery (Read 4486 times)
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liverpool annie
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Hi Ken and Mike !
They should be on 1901 census .... but I can't access it right now ! 
I'll see if I can find them in Canada .... maybe it'll give some more information !
Annie 
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MancsMan
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Mike
This is the only bit of evidence that a burial took place - but no one's knows a thing about it - from the grave diggers to admin staff at manchester burials
http://www.philipspark.org.uk/PhilipsPark/Medlock_Valley_Places/Philips_Park_Cemetery/
This is a new link the one on page one of this posting had changed
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MancsMan
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Emms
Yes Philips Park does have a war memorial and I have looked at it a dozen times, but cant ever recall seeing lusitania on it. But will recheck on my next visit, this will be soon - believe it or not but we have to dig up the father-in-law 
Ken 
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Hilton - Wiltshire, Prestwich, Manchester Millington - Manchester, Birmingham Harris - Manchester, Salford, Southern Rhodesia, Aston Manor Birmingham, Temple Balsall, Knowle Jones - Higher Broughton, Cheetham Hill, Denbighshire Lawton - Prestwich, Manchester Smith - Manchester Carey - Manchester Cotterell - Lambeth, London Fletcher - Middleton, Manchester Capper - Manchester Fancy a chin wag on Faceb**k http://www.rootschat.com/links/07bv/ |
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Warwick B
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Re: Replies #30-41, relating to George Arthur GILPIN (GA for simplicity)
I am the grandson of Lily Gilpin, GA's sister. Here's what I know about GA, which came from my Grandma (b.1872, d.1960) and Uncle George her son-in-law, who died in 1981.
GA grew up in Salford. His father James Gilpin died in the period between the 1881 and 1891 censi - I haven't dug up the details yet as to when. Times were tough and the family was split up for a while. GA went to live with his grandparents, the Shaws at 22 Museum Lane, Leeds, Walter his younger brother is recorded in the 1881 census as a member of "Hunt's Band" at Chatham Hospital, Manchester. His mother, my grandma and her twin Rose were staying with Louisa Calvert, his Aunt, at 77 Regent Rd. Salford.
By 1891, the family was almost re-united at 42 Wynford St. Salford, with the exception of Rose. My grandma mentioned that she had been separated by these circumstances from Rose and felt this deeply. She had never seen her again, I believe, but I haven't followed up on Rose either. GA is recorded as a clerk and Walter an engineer, turner in 1891.
What happened in the gap from 1891 to 1915 is vague to say the least. Various pieces of the puzzle are
-GA seems to have worked in the banking business
-he moved to central America (San Salvador) in the 1890's
-he must have risen up the heirachy quite quickly, as he was wealthy when he died
-he never married: maybe British banks preferred to send single men on foreign postings. Much cheaper for them.
-he may have worked for a British Bank in Salvador (family rumour said the Bank of England, but I doubt they would have an outpost there, unless it was an agency!). Reference to Banco de Salvadorina in one shipping list as a "friend" seems odd. Sounds more like a bank, which might have been given as a reference.
-My mother mentioned that there was a Union Jack full of bullet holes that GA had given to my grandmother, which seems to have disappeared. It was said to have flown on the bank's flagpole. Possibly a disaffected client expressed his feelings with bullets. I can understand the sentiment, although not the method, today, as banks teeter in the UK and USA! I'll try to find more on this from my cousin and whether there are any other artifacts
-Another story had it that GA was the honorary British consul in Salvador. Sounds a bit far-fetched, but he may have worked in some capacity in the consulate
-He is said to have survived the sinking of the Lusitania, and managed to swim ashore, but died of grievous wounds, or was found dead on the shore. Uncle George told me he was buried in Ireland.
-I haven't seen his will, but my grandma was undoubtedly one beneficiary. She lived in comfort for most of the rest of her life - her funds ran out when she was in her 80's. She named her house, in East Keswick, Leeds "Salvador"!
That's about it. Travel must be in the family blood, as after growing up in the UK, I have lived in Perth, WA;Montreal, QC and now in the Sydney, NSW region!
Hope this helps
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emmsthheight
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Hi Warwick B and welcome to Rootschat.
Thank you for sharing those details with us. How absolutely fascinating!
You sound as if you've been doing a bit of research yourself in between moving around the world. There may well be things that we can find at this end, or point you in the right direction, if you'd like people to.
If he left a will, and you'd like to see it, there is a very good chance you would get some more details. Unfortunately, not usually where he is buried, just where he died. Where it is will depend where his property is.
If it was all with his wife, then it may have been proved in Manchester with a copy in York, but if it is scattered it will have been at a bigger court though there should still be a copy at York. Basic details are in the wills calendar, in some record offices etc. There may well be an announcement of the death in the Manchester Evening News too.
It's great to hear from a real member of the family though.
Thank you for replying.
Best wishes.
Emms
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Warwick B
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Thanks Emms.
A bit more checking has shown that the bank GA worked for was the London Bank of Central America. He was already its representative in 1899 in some dealings with the Empresa de Aguas de Juayua in Salvador which was mentioned in a thesis on the web which you can find by googling "George Arthur Gilpin". It's in Spanish which I only have a basic knowledge of, so I haven't translated it yet.
As you surmise, I have done some genealogical research before, but on my father's side, where I am presently bogged down in the 1600's. I have just started to look at my mother's side and this was prompted yesterday by the sudden impulse to check out GA after all these years, on seeing the book on the "Lusitania" in my bookcase!
I will delve into the matter of GA's will. My problem is accessibility: if it's not on the net then I have to rely on email approaches to libraries, archives etc. I visit the UK at least once a year and I hope to pursue the Gilpins in 2009!
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MancsMan
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Hi Warwick B
I agree with Emms, what a fascinating story and family connection, it would be a real good read his will, if you ever get hold of it.
It now looks like George can be ruled out of a Manchester burial, with your uncle thinking he was buried in Ireland.
R well never mind the hunt continues.
Best Wishes
Ken
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carolbaguley
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I am the Medlock Valley Community Link Officer and I work on Philips Park (not the cemetery) and am in the process of updating the web page (will take a few months).
The family is "Bartley" information below:
The grave of a family who perished when a German U-boat torpedoed the Lusitania in the first World War. Of the 1906 passengers and crew,1195 died, including husband, wife and 4 children of the Bartley Family. The sinking was a major reason for the Americans entering the war.
Name Age Place-of-Origin
BARTLEY, Mr. George Noble 38 Welland, Canada
BARTLEY, Mrs. George Noble (Ellen) 28 "
BARTLEY, Master Arthur 4 "
BARTLEY, Master Gordon 3-months "
The Grave No is B377 in the Church of England section near the Gates near the war memorial.
If anyone wants more info and I have photograph and map of cemetery, they could email me at Carol.Baguley@groundwork.org.uk.
All information will be put on the web site once updated www.philipspark.org.uk.
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MancsMan
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Hi Carol
Welcome to Rootschat
What a star you are - many many thanks for the info and photo. I just cannot believe how many times I have walked passed that grave, the wife has a family grave not to many plots behind this headstone.
I will now try and find out more about this family and add them to my ebook.
Kind Regards
Ken
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MancsMan
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Possible spanner in the works already.
None of the said Bartley family show up on the Manchester Burial web site.
Wonder if it is just an inscription dedicated to the family members.
Will have to check the actual burial records.
Ken
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MancsMan
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Hi Carol
Yep I am 90% sure  it's just an inscription
Here's a list of burials in B377 CofE
John Bartley
Amelia B Gibson
William A Gibson
Mary Bartley
John Dixon Bartley
Mary Ann Bartley
Regards
Ken
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Kittyb216
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Hello there
I was just perusing the net and lo and behold all this info on Rootschat re my family
I can give more info on the Bartley familty.
I have the grave papers and my great grandparents mariage certificate. My great grandfather was John Dixon Bartley and his wife mary Ann Bartley nee Heron. George Noble Bartley was his brother. Family history states George, Ellen and both their sons where interred in ireland after the sinking but were included on the family memorial later. They where travelling back form canada I think the St Catherines area of Ontario where they had previously settled.
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emmsthheight
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Hi Kittyb. Welcome to Rootachat!
Fancy after all this time, you joining from the real family!
I'm sore that any one involved would be really interested in anything you can tell us about your family and their experiences of the disaster or across the Atlantic or anything else!
Thank you very much for getting in touch and do let us know some more about them if you can!
Welcome againn to Rootschat. Do let us know also, if there's anything else on your family any of us can help with.
Best wshes!
Emms
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