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Vasquez109
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After finding what I've needed from the 1841-1901 Ancestry.co.uk census collections. I've now had to go to the Parish Registers.
Being somewhat a newcomer, and a bank holiday weekend and some time off, I drove up to Northamptonshire from Swansea because I knew that an Ancestor of mine was Buried on 11/05/1895 aged 74 at Desborough Parish Church (Page 163, No. 1303).
So off I went, a headstone about a hundred years old shouldn't be too worn or damaged should it? Should be easy to find shouldn't it!
So I searched for Parish Churches on google and it came up with two!
Brilliant! This shouldn't take long at all! So I packed the camera and some food, checked the car then set off!
First stop was St. Giles, Desborough. Had a thorough look and he wasn't there. So that only leaves The Holy Trinity, Rothwell! Fantastic! A short drive later brought me there, and guess what! NOTHING!
What is going on? ?? HELP! What shall I do now?
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Northamptonshire - Stevenson, Smith
Swansea (Morriston) - Thomas, Williams
Derbyshire - Harlow
Yorkshire - Stamper, Boyes, Duke, Russell
London - Harper, Wallis
Essex - Shelford, Wallis
Hertfordshire - Bishop
Cornwall - Johns, Soper, Rowe, Ball, Collecott
Gloucestershire - Harper
County Durham - Proud, Hall, Duke
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bearkat
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What a shame you couldn't find your relative's grave - very frustrating.
Not everyone could afford a tombstone for their deceased relatives so he may not have a marked grave.
Some have become damaged over the years and some have been moved. Many more have become badly worn so are illegible.
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Middx - Vaus, Roberts, Eversfield, Inman, Star, Holbeck, Wyatt, Bickford, Smith, Redwood
South Stoneham, Hants - Small, Hammerton, Grist, Fryer, Trodd
Beaulieu/Boldre, Hants - Woodford, Croutear, Beck, Bendell, Keeping, Harding
Kent - Bayly, Borer, Mitchell, Plane, Vernon, Farrance, Chapman, Medhurst, Lomax, Wyatt
Devon - Tope, Bickford, Foster
YKS - Quirk, McGuire, Benn
Nott/Derbs - Slack
Hert - Barnes
L'pool- Plumbe
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Vasquez109
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But a lot of the churchyards ive been to, the stones from the turn of the century dont seem too bad.
Who would have the details of this "unmarked grave" if this was the case?
And doesnt Parish church seem a bit vague? Was there usually just one church in a village years ago?
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Northamptonshire - Stevenson, Smith
Swansea (Morriston) - Thomas, Williams
Derbyshire - Harlow
Yorkshire - Stamper, Boyes, Duke, Russell
London - Harper, Wallis
Essex - Shelford, Wallis
Hertfordshire - Bishop
Cornwall - Johns, Soper, Rowe, Ball, Collecott
Gloucestershire - Harper
County Durham - Proud, Hall, Duke
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bearkat
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How well stones have weathered depends on many factors. It depends what they were made of, the softer stones wear quite easily. The Victorians sometimes went for lead lettering - I've seen sorry piles of letters that have fallen from gravestones which would be a challenge even if you are good at Scrabble. Gravestones in areas of heavy pollution tend to be more worn.
It might be worth contacting the churches or the local records office as they may be able to give you more information about the burials.
Every parish would have a parish church. Later non-conformist churches were built. Some of these had their own burial grounds, others did not.
By the 1850s many churchyards were becoming full so local councils began to build their own cemeteries.
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Middx - Vaus, Roberts, Eversfield, Inman, Star, Holbeck, Wyatt, Bickford, Smith, Redwood
South Stoneham, Hants - Small, Hammerton, Grist, Fryer, Trodd
Beaulieu/Boldre, Hants - Woodford, Croutear, Beck, Bendell, Keeping, Harding
Kent - Bayly, Borer, Mitchell, Plane, Vernon, Farrance, Chapman, Medhurst, Lomax, Wyatt
Devon - Tope, Bickford, Foster
YKS - Quirk, McGuire, Benn
Nott/Derbs - Slack
Hert - Barnes
L'pool- Plumbe
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Keziahemm
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For 11 years Northamptonshire Family History Society has been transcribing Memorial Inscriptions, the booklets are available to purchase and contain an index of names as well as the inscription on the stone and a plan of the churchyard. Desborough has been transcribed.
http://www.northants-fhs.org/ have a look under Publications
They also have a Personal Name Database I believe this covers MIs as well, under Search services
Susan 
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aghadowey
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If I've read the first post correctly, Vasquez109, you found details of a death in a parish register/index but that doesn't mean that there is, or ever was, a headstone there.
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Vasquez109
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But surely if a burial took place it would be marked wouldnt it? If there was no stone then how would the church know not to bury someone on top?
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Northamptonshire - Stevenson, Smith
Swansea (Morriston) - Thomas, Williams
Derbyshire - Harlow
Yorkshire - Stamper, Boyes, Duke, Russell
London - Harper, Wallis
Essex - Shelford, Wallis
Hertfordshire - Bishop
Cornwall - Johns, Soper, Rowe, Ball, Collecott
Gloucestershire - Harper
County Durham - Proud, Hall, Duke
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At the time of burial the grave would have probably been marked by a wooden cross or marker. This was either replaced by a stone monument or eventually rotted away over time. The church would have had a plan showing where burials had taken place.
Churches have been known to use graves again 
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Middx - Vaus, Roberts, Eversfield, Inman, Star, Holbeck, Wyatt, Bickford, Smith, Redwood
South Stoneham, Hants - Small, Hammerton, Grist, Fryer, Trodd
Beaulieu/Boldre, Hants - Woodford, Croutear, Beck, Bendell, Keeping, Harding
Kent - Bayly, Borer, Mitchell, Plane, Vernon, Farrance, Chapman, Medhurst, Lomax, Wyatt
Devon - Tope, Bickford, Foster
YKS - Quirk, McGuire, Benn
Nott/Derbs - Slack
Hert - Barnes
L'pool- Plumbe
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Many churches that don't keep burial records do have a map of the plots and a list of the 'owner' of the plot.
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Vasquez109
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I feel a phone call to the church coming on!
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Northamptonshire - Stevenson, Smith
Swansea (Morriston) - Thomas, Williams
Derbyshire - Harlow
Yorkshire - Stamper, Boyes, Duke, Russell
London - Harper, Wallis
Essex - Shelford, Wallis
Hertfordshire - Bishop
Cornwall - Johns, Soper, Rowe, Ball, Collecott
Gloucestershire - Harper
County Durham - Proud, Hall, Duke
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carol8353
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Vasquez,
Stick this query on the Northamptonshire boards, Sandy (Seahall)'s your girl for all things Northants ish 
Even if she doesn't have it,she knows a man who does
Carol
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Sometimes the person who will have access to old graveyard maps and know where the plots are is the sexton not the clergyman.
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Vasquez109
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But the vicar will know who would have them wouldnt he?
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Northamptonshire - Stevenson, Smith
Swansea (Morriston) - Thomas, Williams
Derbyshire - Harlow
Yorkshire - Stamper, Boyes, Duke, Russell
London - Harper, Wallis
Essex - Shelford, Wallis
Hertfordshire - Bishop
Cornwall - Johns, Soper, Rowe, Ball, Collecott
Gloucestershire - Harper
County Durham - Proud, Hall, Duke
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Depends on the vicar! Our local parish church sexton has a graveyard notebook (going back to 1930s)- separate from burial register- that I doubt the rector knows even exists.
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Vasquez109
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When im in church on sunday. I'll ask the vic if he has a sexton!
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Northamptonshire - Stevenson, Smith
Swansea (Morriston) - Thomas, Williams
Derbyshire - Harlow
Yorkshire - Stamper, Boyes, Duke, Russell
London - Harper, Wallis
Essex - Shelford, Wallis
Hertfordshire - Bishop
Cornwall - Johns, Soper, Rowe, Ball, Collecott
Gloucestershire - Harper
County Durham - Proud, Hall, Duke
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