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Widow's surname
« on: Wednesday 07 May 08 07:13 BST (UK) »
I have a problem I need help in solving.
I have an ancestor who married a widow in 1805. Would she have used her married name, or her maiden name on her second marriage?
I know what would happen today, but I have learned not to apply our customs/beliefs to past eras.

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« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 07 May 08 07:43 BST (UK) »
I have a widow marrying into my tree and she used her married name on the marriage certificate.
I had difficulties finding information about her until I bought the certificate and found her father's name.
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Re: Widow's surname
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 07 May 08 07:50 BST (UK) »
Which country?

In England the name used on remarriage would invariably be her current married name - the name she was normally known by.

In Scotland there would be a stronger possibility of a widow reverting to her maiden name.
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« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 07 May 08 07:57 BST (UK) »
The couple married in Marylebone, London, in 1805. I don't know how to approach finding more on her prior to her marriage to my ancestor. The parish record simply states "widow". I doubt her death certificate would enlighten me either.
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« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 07 May 08 15:49 BST (UK) »
What parish was she of when she marriedthe second time? It might be the same one she lived in during her first marriage,  so a long shot would be to go though the burials to find anyone with her first married name, or see if there was anyone from that parish and with that name that left a will.

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« Reply #5 on: Thursday 08 May 08 14:42 BST (UK) »
Witnesses?
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« Reply #6 on: Thursday 08 May 08 18:52 BST (UK) »
My grandmother married twice, once as a widow and the certificate says,   ***   *****    ****  formerly  ******  ****  ***   nee  *******
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« Reply #7 on: Thursday 08 May 08 19:24 BST (UK) »
Quote from: Dancing Master on Thursday 08 May 08 18:52 BST (UK)

My grandmother married twice, once as a widow and the certificate says,   ***   *****    ****  formerly  ******  ****  ***   nee  *******


If that certificate was issued in England & Wales, I'd frame it for rarity value because I have never ever seen the word "née" used on a marriage certificate. Wink Perhaps it was quite a recent certificate?
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« Reply #8 on: Thursday 08 May 08 21:55 BST (UK) »
It usually has something like  Mary Smith late Brown (1st married name) formerly Jones (maiden name)
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« Reply #9 on: Saturday 10 May 08 15:18 BST (UK) »
Quote from: rancegal on Thursday 08 May 08 21:55 BST (UK)

It usually has something like  Mary Smith late Brown (1st married name) formerly Jones (maiden name)


It does indeed. And "maiden name" means just that (how delicate do we have to be?), the name used when first married. It is not synonymous with birth name (which is what née means).
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Re: Widow's surname
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 10 May 08 23:50 BST (UK) »
Thanks Carole for the suggestions.
I can't lay my hands on my notes for this at the moment; my study resembles organized chaos!
I know that I first got the info from a Harleian Society Book of Marylebone marriages. Not sure if it listed what parish the couple was from, but definitely listed witnesses. Interestingly, the groom was 10 years younger than the bride, and listed as single, or bachelor.
These London ancestors are proving difficult to chase; I have the baptisms of all their children, except my 2x-great-grandmother.
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« Reply #11 on: Saturday 17 May 08 06:28 BST (UK) »
From the Harleian Society's volume of St. Mary, Marylebone Marriages:
Jonathan Dowdeswell, bachelor
married 19 Apr 1805
Mary Ann Blake, widow
by licence
Witnesses: Ann Dowdeswell, G.W. Dowdeswell
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« Reply #12 on: Saturday 24 May 08 10:45 BST (UK) »
My grandmother was born in 1879 and was married for the 2nd time in 1905.   so wouldn't call that exactly recent.
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