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JAP
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Hi Lass,
Fascinating!
But ... It's one of those (relatively new) infuriating 'I' batches which give no Source information whatsoever 
A strange batch - only 244 entries, all females, earliest 1762 and latest 1874.
I had a look in the Family History Library catalogue on FamilySearch for holdings relating to St Marylebone (Marylebone). The most likely looks to be the following:
Church records (register of baptisms), 1753-1874, Scotts Presbyterian Church (Marylebone, England).
A search for BALHARY on FreeBMD gets only 3 hits (1839, 1841, 1845) including:
Jane BALHARY, birth, March quarter 1839, Westminster, Volume 1, page 334
It might be worth getting that certificate?
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JAP
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Scotland - HALL, HARLEY, LOCHTY/LOCHTIE/LOUGHTIE/LOUGHTY (very rare), MCLAUSE/MCLAWS/MCILHOSE/HOSE (quite rare and many very variable spellings - close to 100 to date), PHILP/PHILIP, VASSIE; Ireland - BOURKE/BURKE, DONOHUE (many spellings), DOOLEY, KINSELLA, MAXWELL, OSBORNE, RAFFERTY, STA(U)NTON, SULLIVAN; England - BAYES, BROWNELL, DALTON, FREEMAN, HACKING, PIERCY, SIDDLE, SWIFT, SULLIVAN, TINK(L)ER, TRIPPIT. Any spellings and many other names!
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Just for completeness - the 1841 entry is the birth of a female BALHARY, and the 1845 entry is the death of an Andrew BALHARY.
An Andrew BALHARY, 40, is in the 1841 in Streatham Surrey with wife Christian 45 and daughter Elizabeth 10 - Andrew & Christian b Scotland, Elizabeth b Surrey.
This is surely the Andrew who died in 1845 as, in 1851, Christian BALHARY is still in Streatham, a 55yo widow born Edinburgh, with unmarried daughter Elizabeth 18, plus Christian's sister Agnes PORTEOUS and a servant - HO107/Piece 1579/Folio 431, Page 23.
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Scotland - HALL, HARLEY, LOCHTY/LOCHTIE/LOUGHTIE/LOUGHTY (very rare), MCLAUSE/MCLAWS/MCILHOSE/HOSE (quite rare and many very variable spellings - close to 100 to date), PHILP/PHILIP, VASSIE; Ireland - BOURKE/BURKE, DONOHUE (many spellings), DOOLEY, KINSELLA, MAXWELL, OSBORNE, RAFFERTY, STA(U)NTON, SULLIVAN; England - BAYES, BROWNELL, DALTON, FREEMAN, HACKING, PIERCY, SIDDLE, SWIFT, SULLIVAN, TINK(L)ER, TRIPPIT. Any spellings and many other names!
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AMBLY
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Hi Lass and JAP!
Wow Lass! That was a GOOD find - amazing stick-to-it-ivness on your part..
and WOOHOO!!!!!!!!!!
I'm dancing - I'm dancing!
1841: Marshman Street - Parish of St John the Evangalist, City of Westminster, Middlesex
David BALHAREY 30, Cabinet Maker, b Scotland
Margaret BALHAREY 30 - b Scotland
David BALHAREY 5 - b Scotland
Jane BALHAREY 2 - b Middlesex
Margaret BALHAREY 1 mth - b Middlesex
HO107/ Piece 737/ Book: 7/ Folio: 5/ Pg 5
Name could look like BALKAREY I suppose, but clearly, undeniably it is BALHAREY!!
So gap between David and Jane - maybe they had a little one who died.
And maybe Adam was theirs still, and for whatever reason was still up in Scotland.
Cheers 
AMBLY
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AMBLY
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Still Dancing!
BIRTH: Female BALHURY or BALHARY - Jun Qtr 1841 - Westminster ST Margaret - Vol 1, pg 387
(this must be Margaret - it's indexed twice)
Cheers 
AMBLY
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Lass
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AMBLY
WOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
Well done, bliddy well done you marvellous, marvellous creature!!!!!!!! I swear I thought I'd tried every imagineable variation on the spelling, but you've cracked it!!
WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOO!!!!
I'm sooooo pleased to see they were still in the country at that point, and especially delighted that it's evident David jnr was indeed born in Scotland I'd better let Maria know not to go pouring over Chilean baptism records trying to find him!!!!
AMBLY, you commented on my stick-to-it-ivness, but as far as I'm concerned, you take the Gold Medal!! Thank you thank you thank you a million times over!!
I'll keep you updated with any other peaches that come back from Chilean records! And I'm off to hunt down David jnr's birth/baptism records again, now that I know he was definitely in the UK!
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
Lass x
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AMBLY and Lass, that's absolutely brilliant!
JAP
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Scotland - HALL, HARLEY, LOCHTY/LOCHTIE/LOUGHTIE/LOUGHTY (very rare), MCLAUSE/MCLAWS/MCILHOSE/HOSE (quite rare and many very variable spellings - close to 100 to date), PHILP/PHILIP, VASSIE; Ireland - BOURKE/BURKE, DONOHUE (many spellings), DOOLEY, KINSELLA, MAXWELL, OSBORNE, RAFFERTY, STA(U)NTON, SULLIVAN; England - BAYES, BROWNELL, DALTON, FREEMAN, HACKING, PIERCY, SIDDLE, SWIFT, SULLIVAN, TINK(L)ER, TRIPPIT. Any spellings and many other names!
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Nothing to report from Chile yet I'm afraid. I've also pm'd one of the members here who has an interest in the Jaffrey name in the hope that she might have a snippet that would help.
However, out of interest, I thought I'd share a reply I received on another forum regarding the route our guys may have taken to Chile.
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After a chat with genjen, she's hit on a little shiny nugget of info that I'm pretty sure belongs to us!!(I'm still miffed that I didn't find it, hours I tell you, I spent hours trawling those bliddy records!!  ) Thank you again genjen for your find!
New York Passenger List
Adam Bulhary
arrived New York 12th August 1857
aged 22 born about 1835
listed as Irish
Labourer
Arrived aboard the Henry Clay from Liverpool, England
Now whilst I know perfectly well that our Adam isn't Irish, I'm fairly certain that this is our chap. The recording of being Irish is dittoed from the preceding entries and I would suggest not the first time this error/assumption has been made about a Scot, especially when he's travelling with a lot of Irish and English passengers.
What are your thoughts on this??
Lass x
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Incidentally, I've checked LDS and can't find any entries under Bulhary and variations, and nothing so it's not a 'popular' Irish name.
While I'm on the subject, I was looking through Rootschat earlier when I was at work and came across a great link. It had a search function that linked in to LDS, but what I liked was the fact that it was searchable by christian name and county - anyone know offhand what site it was, or do I need to trawl the site again? (I did email the link to myself from work, but it hasn't arrived at home yet  )
Lass x
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Hi Lass
I think it will be this site
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers.htm
Ohhh! More exciting news Adam does look good on it! I'm miffed too as I looked till I was crosseyed as well but well done gengen!
On the subject of passage to Chile - I've been pondering this one, as there were many ways to get to Chile, one being thru the Strait. But I think at that time, many ships would have gone round the Horn - a treacherous journery - the waters around the Falklands for example are liittered with shipwrecks of those that did not make it, and the Falklands was also a key place for ships to put in for repair, salvage etc. If they came round the Horn or thru the Strait, they could have disembarked in Punta Arenas.
Other ships came the other way, from the antipodes to Valparaiso Santiago, Concepcion, often stopping in the Antipodes on the way. Then then there is the option of going into Uruguay or Argentina and going overland to Chile.
I've been thinking, David Snr, going by his occupation , he could have been recruited for the specific job in Chile - perhaps he answered an advertisment....many English and Scottish tradesman answered these calls - for skilled trades and for shepherding to South America. It may be an angle to follow, to try and acertain which part of the rail line he or his osn worked on, and from there to find the company, their agents and the ships they chartered to bring their crews in on? Also, chances are his was not the only family who came on the same ship at the same time for the same job. If you can't find the BALHARRY's, you might just be able to find another family - whose family has put a genealogy on the web. Because the key to finding them at their earliest in Chile is to locate the place they would have lived and then the church they would have had their children baptised in - ie: Benjamin circa 1849?
https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Chile_Church_Records?title=Special:Userlogin&type=signup&returnto=Chile_Church_Records
Interesting links for Rail:
http://www.tramz.com/cl/tto/0Ma.html
http://www.tramz.com/cl/tto/b.html
Cheers
AMBLY
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1. Great great find!
2. You can search the IGI on FamilySearch by given name and country.
For instance, you can do searches for
- given name Adam, region British Isles, country Scotland, county Angus
- given name Adam, region South America, country Chile
In such searches, you can even specify an event, and a time period.
However, if you want to tick exact spelling for the given name, then all you can specify is the region.
3. When, a while ago, I quoted a reference to Valparaiso often being a port on the way from England to San Francisco, I thought of ships going down across the Atlantic, rounding the Horn (though I guess they might have gone through the Straits of Magellan) and then up the West coast of the Americas. But, as AMBLY says, there were many ways someone from the UK could have travelled to Chile.
It's great the way things keep turning up!
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Scotland - HALL, HARLEY, LOCHTY/LOCHTIE/LOUGHTIE/LOUGHTY (very rare), MCLAUSE/MCLAWS/MCILHOSE/HOSE (quite rare and many very variable spellings - close to 100 to date), PHILP/PHILIP, VASSIE; Ireland - BOURKE/BURKE, DONOHUE (many spellings), DOOLEY, KINSELLA, MAXWELL, OSBORNE, RAFFERTY, STA(U)NTON, SULLIVAN; England - BAYES, BROWNELL, DALTON, FREEMAN, HACKING, PIERCY, SIDDLE, SWIFT, SULLIVAN, TINK(L)ER, TRIPPIT. Any spellings and many other names!
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I'm glad we appear to have traced Adam, I was concerned as to what had happened to him after Jean's death in 1845. Now I wonder if his arrival in New York was independent, or whether he was on his way back to his family in Chile.....
Thanks Ambly for those great links, looks like there's a lot of info on the rail companies there so hopefully following them might lead to some fresh information. I'm willing to bet you're right about David snr being recruited specifically for working on the railway, and since he would appear to have been in England for a few years before moving on to Chile, I dare say it's even more viable.
JAP, I find I can't search on Family Search using first name and county/town without being asked to put in the fathers/mothers name. AMBLY that seems a good search link, but it's not the one I was using!! I'll trawl and let you know, just to share, when I find it.
I dare say there's a variety of different ways for the family to get to Chile, I'd just been thinking along the lines of checking American port records for them on the assumption that they'd have had to stop in the US on route, but perhaps not. AMBLY the family are now in the Valparaiso/Concepcion/Santiago area of Chile so if I had to hazard a guess, I'd say that's where they may have come in to the country in the first place. Aren't guesses wonderful things??
I do wish I'd get some more information through from Chile, but patience was never my strong point, maybe a timely update from me will give them a wee push
Lass x
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Thought I'd share - the link I was using was
http://www.originsnetwork.com/scotsorigins/SOSearchBC.aspx
The only reason I find this handy, is that with all the variations in spelling of the surname, it's easier for me to search using the first name and go through all the counties/districts. That way I don't need to keep track of all the variations I've check for each individual county and district!! Saves me a lot of time and a quick scan over the resulting IGI records is much quicker and easier for me.
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Hi Lass
Ahhh!! Thanks for that link- I had forgotten entirely about that one and not used it for years - you're right it's very handy, have bookmarked it
The one I gave, I use to establish batch numbers of the parish I want. Then I go to the IGI site seperately and put in that batch number, with the area (Scotland), Then one can search the same way - ie: search for all David's born to parents named David and Margaret, all children with parents named David & Margaret etc etc. I guess at the end of the day, both are doing the same thing... but I like your one better now;D
I wondered if they moved away from Angus after their marriage, perhaps for work reasons - I thought Perthshire may also be a place to look for the births of Adam (regardless of he's theirs or not) and David.....
Do you already have this link?
http://www.bisa.btinternet.co.uk/mainbody.htm
Cheers
AMBLY
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OH MY GOSH
LASS ----SIT DOWN STAND UP before you go here: (all the better for dancing!)
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/Park/7572/geor1842.txt
I just googled Adam Balhary - no place no quotes, just that AND LOOK WHAT I FOUND
BINGO! Passenger List. 1842. God loves a Googler. The Answer to the Universe is in Google.
WOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AMBLY is dancin' , is dancin. is dancin'
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