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Valda
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Both the 1901 and the 1881 census indexes have the facility for searching on occupation. The 1901 census shows no comic Stevens or Stephens but the 1881 census does.
Is Ockley on the 1901 census an error for Otley? Surrey was added in a different hand when the returns were sent to the staticians to catogorise and percentage the entries.
1881 census RG11 4338 folio 48
Nelson Street Otley
Joseph Stephens 71 Boarder Married Comedian Hanley Staffordshire
Emily Stephens 35 Boarder Married Comedian Maidenhead Berkshire
Eleanor Stephens 9 Boarder Liverpool Lancashire
Emily Stephens 6 Boarder Leeds Yorkshire
Alfred Stephens 4 Boarder Oldbury Staffordshire
Otley is in Wharfedale registration district but there is no subequent birth registration there for an Ernest.
1891 census RG12 2465 folio 15
Golden End Knowle Warwickshire
Emily Stevens 17 Lodger Actress Leeds Yorkshire
1891 census RG12 2279 folio 111
107 Halesowen Street Blackheath Rowley Regis Staffordshire
John Radford 20 Head Married Actor (Dramatist) Birmingham Warwickshire
Nellie Radford 21 Wife Married Actress Liverpool Lancashire
Alfred Stevens 14 Brother-in-law Oldbury Staffordshire
A possible marriage
Marriages Jun 1890
Radford John James G Stourbridge 6c 218
possible spouse
Stephens Mary Ellenor Stourbridge 6c 218
and birth registration which if correct would give the mother's maiden name
Births Dec 1871
Stephens Mary Eleanor Liverpool 8b 46
1871 census
RG10 3795 folio 40
99 Hill Street Toxteth Park Liverpool
Joseph Stephens 61 Lodger 61 Married Painter Hanley Staffordshire
Emily Stephens 28 Lodger 28 Married Painter's wife Maidenhead Berkshire
Joseph Stephens 2 Lodger 2 Son Landgate Kent
1861 census
RG9 3316 folio 9
Saracens Head Union Street Bradford Yorkshire
Joseph Stephens 46 Lodger Married 46 Actor Hanley Green Staffordshire
Eleanor Stephens 44 Lodger Married Actress Manchester Lancashire
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Valda
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1901 census RG13 5217 folio 45
5 & 7 off School Street Rhosllanerchrugog Denbighshire
John Radford 29 Boarder Married Actor Birmingham Warwickshire
Ellen Radford 28 Boarder Married Actress Liverpool Lancashire
May Radford 6 Boarder Stone Staffordshire
Edward Radford 5 Boarder Oswestry Shropshire
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As far as ordinary soldiers records for the First World War held at The National Archives Kew are concerned.
'Most of their service records were destroyed by enemy bombing in 1940.
About 2 million service records either survived the bombing (in WO 363 ) or were reconstructed from pension records (in WO 364 ).
As a result, you have about a 40% chance of finding the service records of a particular soldier. If you don't find anything, try the Campaign Medal Rolls for basic details (see the Research Guide: '
The National Archives research guide
British Army Soldiers' Papers: First World War, 1914-1918
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=18
As he died he would have no pension records in WO 364 so any surviving records would have to be in WO 363 (not covered on the Ancestry website which has soldiers attestation papers from TNA for WO 364). The odds of surviving records from WO 363 alone are less.
'They are the 'burnt documents' that survived the bombing in 1940, and consist of about 20 to 25% of the original total.'
If some of Ernest's attestation papers do survive they would usually have a description of the soldier, when and where he attested and his military record, also perhaps details of his next of kin (which would be the name of his wife and date of their marriage and possibly an address for her) and the date of birth and names of any children.
Have you obtained a copy of Ernest's death certificate (FreeBMD has a 100% coverage of the GRO indexes for the March quarter of 1919 and this is the only possible death registration)
Deaths Mar 1919
STEVENS Ernest 37 Hartley W. 2c 377
This seems to be a good match in age and with a registration district in Hampshire very close to Aldershot.
However military deaths, even if they took place on British soil, could equally well have been registered in the army GRO index which is part of the overseas section of the GRO indexes. FreeBMD has no coverage of the overseas registers. You can find them on this web site.
http://www.findmypast.com/home.jsp
There is a charge for searching but Rootschatters have unused credits so you could request a look up if you think the registration above is unlikely to be Ernest's.
The death certificate would at least confirm what Ernest died of though not necessarily what preceded it e.g. flu epidemic but not perhaps that he was weakened before from a military injury, but the place of death might give that indication e.g. military hospital. The CWGC information does not give the information which would be found on a certificate of death, except that is for the date of the death.
There are 145 campaign medal records for men callled Ernest Stevens in the First World War but if your Ernest Stevens never served abroad he will not be in these records. As you know his regiment you just have to trawl through to see if there are any possibilities. If there are none he therefore didn't serve abroad.
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/power-search.asp?searchType=powersearch
Have you also searched to see whether Ernest left a will?
None of these records will help you with any further information about Ernest's parentage. How are Jessie and Margaret Bird related? Was Margaret the sister of Ernest's wife?
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Valda
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From The National Archives research guide
British Armed Services: Campaign Medals, and other Service Medals
'First World War, 1914-1918
All servicemen of all services, some women, and some civilians, were eligible for one or more campaign medals if they served abroad.'
If Ernest has a medal card he would have to have served abroad.
The Commonwealth War Graves Commission website states that Ernest was buried in Aldershot Military Cemetery but how do you know he died in Aldershot?
Hartney Wintney registration district didn't cover Aldershot. Aldershot was I believe in Farnham registration district. Hartney Wintney covered these places
Bramshill, Cove, Crookham, Dogmersfield, Elvetham, Eversley, Farnborough, Fleet, Greywell, Hartley Wintney, Hawley, Hawley with Minley, Heckfield, Long Sutton, Mattingley, Odiham, Rotherwick, South Warnborough, Winchfield and Yateley.
You can order Ernest's death certificate directly from the GRO online but you say you have his certificate of death?
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
Hartley Wintney registration office closed in 1932 and the district was split between Aldershot and Basingstoke. Aldershot registration office closed in 1974 and turned into North East Hampshire
North East Hampshire
30 Grosvenor Road
Aldershot
Hampshire
GU11 3EB
Is that the registration office you have contacted? Because of all the periodic changes to registration districts and offices I usually find it easier to order certificates directly from the GRO.
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I saw on another message a soldier dying at the Connaught Military Hospital in Aldershot in 1901 having their death registered in Hartley Wintney registration district so perhaps the military prefered registering there.
http://www.institutions.org.uk/pictures/MH/connaught_military_hospital.htm
but Ernest's death was more likely to be in the Cambridge Military Hospital
http://www.rushmoor.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=1209
If so it might be worth contacting Hampshire Record Office to see if they know of any surviving records for the Cambridge Military Hospital and if so their whereabouts. On a first search of TNA Catalogue I can't see anything obvious there.
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Valda
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