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bowes
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hi there,
please don't tell me the father was thomas:(
from igi i found that henry and eleanor isabella/elizabeth mowat had three children, and the other daughter elizabeth seems to be missing. she must have died young.
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jackie
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Gadget
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On the 1841, we have:
High Street, Falkirk
Henry Aitken, 30-34, Writer, b. Scotland
Isabella, 30-34, b. Scotland
Eleanor, 14, b. Scotland
Helen, 5, b. Stirlingshire
Elisabeth, 11 months, b. Stirlingshire
Dorator House, Falkirk
Thomas Aitken, 45 -49, Writer , b. Stirlingshire
Elizabeth, 40-44, b. England
Elizabeth, 20-24, b. Stirlingshire
Margaret, 15-19, b. Stirlingshire
John, 10, b. Stirlingshire
George, 3, b. Stirlingshire
Thomas, 3, b. Stirlingshire
Isabella MacAllan (?) , b. Stirlingshire
I think further investigations of the births are needed!
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bowes
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On IGI:
Thomas Alexander Aitken born 1838 in Falkirk to parents
Henry S Aitken and Eleanor Elizabeth Mowat (sometimes written Eleanor Isabella Mowat)
On IGI:
Children of Henry S Aitken and Eleanor Elizabeth Mowat shown as
Thomas Alexander Aitken B23-4-1838 Falkirk, chris 8-11-1838 Falkirk
Elizabeth Clark Aitken chrs 5-7-1840 Falkirk
Margaret Aitken Chris 26-5-1842 Falkirk
I am more inclined to go with the High Street 1841 census. Even though it does not show Thomas Alexander, not sure where he could be though.
Incidentally, the name Alexander is carried through the generations, even right up to the existing living Aitken - just a bit more of information:)
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Jackie
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Gadget
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Well, we come back to the fact that Henry died between 1841 and 1851, so there are no easily available burial/death records. At some stage before 1851 Isabella moved to Glasgow and became a tavern keeper.
I can find no trace of any other Thomas that fits on the 1841 but the one with Thomas and Elizabeth.
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bowes
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thanks gadget,
it is so frustrating.
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jackie
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Dano
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hello to all,
the thread is getting too long to troll through it all so forgive me if someone has already offered this information.
William Aitken married to Henrietta Petrie was christened 1791 in Falkirk. His parents are Thomas Aitken & Margaret Douglas.
Dano
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Stirlingshire, Scotland - Aitken, Waddell, Wilson, Rae, Dunlop, Liddell, McLuckie. Laird
Carmarthen, Wales - Lewis
Carvan, Ireland - Coyle
N.S.W. Australia - Lewis, Morris
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Gadget
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Hi dano 
That is buried on one of the other threads - it's actually 1792. The 1791 one was an IGI patron submission. The 1792 one is the extracted entry and checks out with the entry on SP.
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apanderson
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MI time again!
There's a rather impressive stone in Camelon (Falkirk) Cemetery which names loads of Aitkens and I think it might identify the Henry Aitken, Writer to the Signet. Unfortunately there's not a lot said about relationships on the inscription but if just one or two could be identified . . . . . ?
This family were obviously very well off - I know at least one of the houses mentioned (Glenbervie) was more of a country estate rather than a 'wee hoose'. Glenbervie has recently been bought over and is now a posh hotel. (See: http://www.glenberviehousehotel.com )
I don't know about Dorrator House. I imagine it would be in the region of Dorrator Road which is in the Camelon district of Falkirk and right beside the cemetery.
As coonwarra said in an earlier post, Aitken is a very common name around Camelon/Falkirk and they all seemed to use the same names time after time for their children.
Anyway, the following is the inscription of the stone I keep blethering on about:
"Front of Stone, 2 Left Panels
JOHN AITKEN, L.L.D., F.R.S., born 18th September 1839
Died at Ardenlea, Falkirk 13th November 1919
ROBERT AITKEN, born 4th December 1840
Died at Rosemount, Colmonnel, Ayrshire 4th May 1907
Front of Stone, 2 Right Panels
WALTER AITKEN, Major in the 42nd Regiment “The Black Watch”
Born 10th April 1842, killed at the Battle of Tamai, (Tamanieh) Egyptian Sudan, 13th March 1884
JESSIE AITKEN of Glenbervie, Larbert, daughter of Henry Aitken, Writer, Falkirk
Born 4th September 1843 died at Glenbervie 29th October 1923
Back of Stone, 2 Left Panels
ROBERT WALKER AITKEN son of James Aitken, Writer, Falkirk
Born 13th February 1811 died at Edinburgh 22nd February 1872
RUSSELL AITKEN, Civil Engineer, Bombay and London
Born 23rd July 1837 died at London 8th April 1915
Back of Stone, 2 Right Panels
JAMES AITKEN, Writer of Darroch and Glenbervie, eldest son of Henry Aitken, Writer, Falkirk
Born 26th November 1834 died at Darroch 17th December 1911
HENRY AITKEN, Coalmaster, Falkirk born 4th July 1838
Died at Darroch 21st November 1903"
I hope this doesn't throw a spanner in the works!! 
Anne
P.S. Don't be put off by the mention of all the different areas, e.g. Camelon, Larbert etc., they're all only five minutes from each other except Colmonnel!
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Gadget
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One things bothers me, Ann (well more than one really), if they were well off, why was Isabella down as a Tavern keeper in Govan on the 1851? And - there's no mention of Thomas ,son of Henry on the inscriptions at all - often, even if they died elsewhere, there is some reference 
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apanderson
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I agree Gadget.
I think there's more than one family here and somewhere along the line, they've all got mixed up. I doubt too, that Isabella would go from being the lady of a country estate to a humble tavern keeper.
Did you have a look at Glenbervie?
I had a wee look at the 1881 Cencus and the last two men on the inscription are still at 'Darroch'
James AITKEN, Head, Unmarried, age 46, Solicitor (Writer), born Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland
Henry AITKEN, Brother, Unmarried, age 42, Coal Master, born Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland
I think it might be a case of back to the drawing board
Anne
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MonicaLesl
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Hi All
Just been catching up with this post following on from the other thread in the search for parents to Thomas Alexander.
Ann, we do have two separate Stirlingshire families headed up by Henry Aitkens, both writers. As already covered, Henry, from Darroch, married to Margaret Russell, father James and mother Janet who died in 1860 and whose will/testament is showing on SP. The children that you show on the MI show on the early censuses. Wife Margaret Russell shows a good 16 yrs younger than husband.
Then we have Henry Scrimegour A. and Isabella/Eleanor who were the parents to Thomas (Alexander) Aitken as showing on Thomas A's 1862 MC to Jane.
With no death cert (or will/testament) for Henry S. Aitken, will be hard to determine his parentage.
Monica
Jackie, as I mentioned in my original posts when you were looking for the Thomas Alexander who left for SA, it is vital to verify at least the key info from certs otherwise it is easy, as can be seen from this research, to deviate off the line 
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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Apologies if this has already been included in this thread - this looks a strong contender for Henry S's birth or christening (can't tell from the SP index which). To parents Thomas A. and Helen Scrimgeour:
1806 - Henry
1807 - Helen
1808 - Alexander
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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Thomas and Helen married on 06 JUN 1801 at the Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh. From the OPRs (as showing on IGI), Helen's father is showing as HENRY SCRIMGEOUR.
There might be some further detail on the OPR entry regarding the bride and groom.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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hi gadget,
This is what i have at present:
1.Thomas Aitken marr Margaret Douglas
2.William Aitken B1792 Falkirk D bet 1841 and 1851 marr 1820 to Henrietta Petrie (siblings James, Thomas, Margaret and Ann)
3.Thomas Alexander Aitken B1830 Falkirk D6-6-1893 Partick marr 1862 to Jane Sutherland Murray (Siblings Thomas Hamilton, Margaret Douglas, Agnes, Helen Scrimgeour)
4.Thomas Alexander Aitken B8-4-1863 Tradeston D4-9-1937 South Africa (have his death
certificate) (He also married a lady by the name of Harriet, but unsure whether she was from
South Africa or Scotland or elsewhere) (siblings Henry John Murray, Annie Sutherland, Charles Bruce, Eleanor Isabella, Mary Ann, James McIntyre, George E, William S, Jane, Margaret)
5.Phillip Alexander Sutherland Aitken B1893 South Africa D1984 South Africa (siblings Charles,
Sybil and Winifred) marr Muriel Ivy Duncan
6.Living Aitken
I only have LDS site to work from, so it has been quite difficult. I find Scotland is hard to find information, as with my English lines, I use freebmd quite a bit.
The rand/pound rate makes things difficult as well:)
Regards
Jackie
I think this is the link that we need to explore first. Do we have proof that this Thomas is the one who married Harriet in South Africa. A marriage cert or some kind of record is necessary, I think. it might give info on his parents.
Gadget
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