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trish251
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Hello Paul
Welcome to Rootschat
If your Westwaters of the 1870s were born in Scotland, you should find the details of their birth on the IGI, which has an index to the civil records of Scotland for the period 1855-1875 (and a couple of other years I can't remember). Tom gets most of his information from the IGI (sometimes merged with the 1881 census of Scotland), he sometimes makes a mistake in the transcribing of same.
James Stewart Westwater is listed in an extracted record on the IGI as born
28 MAY 1863 Auchterderran, Fife
parents James Westwater and Margaret Danks
Francis Danks Westwater is listed as born 18 NOV 1870 Auchterderran, Fife same parents
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true
If you do a parent search, there are 9 children listed from 1853 (before civil registration) to 1870. The marriage appears to have been in 1854 so checking the information with official records is probably worthwhile. The records cover 2 parishes - presumably the one family, but probably needs checking.
You can verify this information on the site www.scotlandspeople.gov.au and download certificate images if required. It is a pay to view site, but very reasonably priced. I am sure there is an LDS family history centre in Newcastle, a cheaper option would be to order the films and view them at the LDS Centre.
If Margaret died in Scotland (or Australia) the name of her father would be on her death certificate. She may also be on the 1841/51 census with her family. Do you already have this information? There is a submitted IGI record with her father listed as Thomas - this is probably the record that Tom has quoted. Free searching on ScotlandsPeople shows a Margaret Danks born 1834 - father Thomas, and a Margaret Danks born 1836 father John. (One only has to pay to check the results).
My apologies if you already have this information and you were simply wishing to comment on possible errors made by the original poster.
If you have any other queries it is a good idea to start a new thread, your post may not be found at the end of a large number of posts by another poster. Roots Chat also has a Surname interests table where you can search for folks researching the same families, or add your names of interest
http://surname.rootschat.com/
Trish
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tommacgregor
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Hello patches71,
It seems like quite a time since we last heard from you on the site about your interesting connections to the Westwater family. I certainly found what you wrote most informative, and managed to follow in your footsteps in an effort to learn even more about the Westwater's.
I am still unable to get a really clear picture about Anne Westwater, who, I believe married George Reekie on 30th October, 1708 at Falkland in Fife. As I see it, Anne and George continue to live at Falkland, on the slopes of the Lomond Hills , for many years. As you would know from my postings, I derive quite a lot of enjoyment from learning about members of the family, i.e. where exactly they lived and how they lived as well as when and where they died.
I would be very interested if any further information has come to light about George Reekie and his wife, Anne Westwater. Again, many thanks for your most informative posting.
Best wishes to you and yours,
Tom.
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tommacgregor
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Hi!,
It seems an awful long time ago that I commenced the Thread entitled Westwater's of Fife, and yet it was only on the 9th of May, 2008. However, in the few weeks since that date, I have continued to expand my knowledge of the Westwater family by combining sources of information from various "tools" now available to me. This includes FamilySearch, ScotlandsPeople, the Fife Family History Society, and so on.
I have found that working away quietly with these "tools", I have been able to confirm bits and pieces of information that I had in my files from quite a way back. I also wanted to experiment with certain resources as well as a computer program that I have been developing for quite a number of months. I'm pleased to report to all my friends on RootsChat that many things are starting to click into place for me, and that means greater accuracy on my postings. Please don't take that to mean that I will never make mistakes. That would be plainly ridiculous, - we all make mistakes. What is important is that we learn from them.
Just to show you what I have been doing to expand our knowledge of the Westwater family and answer some of the questions posed by "jac2", I looked very closely at the following taken from the FFHS Pre-1855 Death Index:
Mrs Westwater, wife of Hendery Westwater, Abbotshall, OPR 399-7 died 22nd February, 1845.
Not an awful lot to go on, one would think. However, taking that rather sparse piece of information, I was able to discover that Mrs Westwater was actually Jean Caution, the wife of Henry Westwater. Mind you, the spelling of the names was a bit of a problem at times, i.e. Henrey Wastwater and Jine Cation, but I simply kept on and using resources such as FamilySearch and ScotlandsPeople, discovered that Henry Westwater had married Jean Caution at Kinghorn in Fife on the 17th August, 1812.
That was quite a significant breakthrough for me because, having the details of the marriage confirmed both by FamilySearch and ScotlandsPeople, I felt far more comfortable in posting it onto this Thread.
The important thing is, I could now add to that improved detail, confident that I had a sound foundation upon which to build.
I will continue on my next posting.
Best wishes to you and yours,
Tom.
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tommacgregor
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Hi!
In my previous posting I mentioned the death of Jean Caution who had married Henry Westwater at Kinghorn in Fife in August, 1812. However, tragedy continued to stalk Henry because, on 30th January, 1850 at Abbotshall, Fife, Henry's daughter, Janet (or Jennet) died.
As we will see from details on my next posting, Janet had been born to Henry Westwater and Jean Caution on 12th September, 1821. I checked it out on ScotlandsPeople and found:
OPR Births & Baptisms:
12/09/1821 WASTWATER, Jenet Parents: Henery Wastwater/Jine Cation FR 803 Abbotshall /FIFE 399/0040 0369
I was also able to find that Janet Westwater had married an Alexander Christie and that the Banns of Marriage had been read on 9th April, 1842 at Dysart and 10th April, 1842 at Abbotshall in Fife.That would mean that Janet Westwater was about 21 when she married Alexander Christie. Their marriage was brought to a tragic end when she died in January, 1850.
I will continue with this branch of the Westwater family on my next posting.
Best wishes to all.
Tom.
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tommacgregor
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Hi!
On my previous postings, I've given quite a bit of information about the Westwater family, including the fact that Henry Westwater had married Jean Caution on the 17th August, 1812 at Kinghorn in Fife.
Again, I wanted to test out the "tools" now at my disposal, and if reasonably satisfied, post the results on RootsChat for the benefit of those other people out there on RootsChat who have an interest in this family.
I now show some of the children that were born to Henry and Jean, and that, in turn, will assist you in your research:
Thomas WESTWATER b/chr. 21st June, 1813 at Kinghorn in Fife.
John WESTWATER b/chr. 8th December, 1815 at Kinghorn in Fife.
William WESTWATER b/chr. 10th December, 1818 at Abbotshall in Fife.
Janet WESTWATER b/chr 12th September, 1821 at Abbotshall in Fife.
John WESTWATER b/chr. 28th January, 1828 at Abbotshall in Fife.
I would urge other researchers to use the above information as a stepping stone for a more exhaustive search and also remind them about the Scot's custom of naming patterns, e.g. Was the eldest son of Henry and Jean, Thomas Westwater, named after his Paternal Grandfather? I'm sure that we would all like to know the answer to that.
Best wishes to you and yours,
Tom.
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tommacgregor
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Hi,
In previous postings, we have read of the tragic deaths of Jean Caution, wife of Henry Westwater and their daughter, Janet Westwater, who died on 30th January, 1850 at Abbotshall in Fife.
To end this part of my postings about this particular branch of the Westwater's of Fife, I now make you aware that Henry WESTWATER, a weaver, widower of Jean Caution and father of Janet, died suddenly on the 18th August at Newton, Abbotshall in Fife. He was buried on the 21st August, 1850 at Abbotshall.
It is interesting to note that Henry's age at the time of his death was given as 60, meaning that his Date of Birth would have been c. 1790. This information is on OPR 399-7.
Best wishes to you and yours,
Tom.
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teadealer
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Hi
I noticed that one Westwater married an Agnes Birrell,she would'nt be related to a Katherine Birrell from Easter Anstruther who married in 1680 to a King,her parents were Robert and Ewphame.
Peter
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tommacgregor
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Hi "teadealer",
It's really nice to hear from you and see that you have an interest in the Westwater's of Fife. Strange that you should raise Anstruther Easter in your posting because that is exactly what I was going to write about in my next posting!
Getting back to your connection. Yes, I am aware of a marriage of Katharine BIRRELL to a John KING at Anstruther Easter on the 16th of July, 1680 but decided to confirm my records by going on to ScotlandsPeople where I performed a Search on your behalf. This is the confirmation:
Your OPR Banns & Marriages:
16/07/1680 KING, John - Katharine BIRRELL/FR283 Anstruther Easter /FIFE
402/0010 0426.
That puts us on a good foundation for an examination of this branch of the family. Please continue to follow me as I progress through other searches using the resources available to me.
I sincerely hope that you will enjoy reading my postings, and I will do everything that I can to help you out.
My best wishes to you and yours.
Tom.
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tommacgregor
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Hi!
George WESTWATER, a Wright, was born about 1677 and married about 30 years later on 7th March, 1707 at Anstruther Easter. I have confirmed the marriage details on ScotlandsPeople. This is what I see:
07/03/1707 WESTWATER, George - Barbara IRELAND/FR427 Anstruther Easter /FIFE 402/0020 - 0229
George married Barbara IRELAND (sometimes spelt IRLAND), who was the daughter of James and Margaret IRELAND (?IRLAND). Barbara had been born on 5th September, 1682 at Anstruther Easter.
I did a very quick search for the children of this couple and again, used ScotlandsPeople. I will not go too deeply into each childs record, but to show that the records do indeed exist, I will show you the detail for the first child, Margaret WESTWATER:
21/12/1707 WESTWATER, Margaret George Westwater/Barbara Ireland FR316 Anstruther Easter /FIFE
Elizabeth WESTWATER ch. 31st July, 1709 at Anstruther Easter.
Jean WESTWATER chr. 25th March, 1711 at Anstruther Easter.
Katherin WESTWATER chr. 4th April, 1714 at Anstruther Easter.
George Westwater chr. 23rd October, 1720 at Anstruther Easter.
Helen WESTWATER chr. 14th April, 1723 at Anstruther Easter.
Barbara WESTWATER chr. 14th April, 1723 at Anstruther Easter.
There are also Death Records available for George Westwater, born/chr. 23rd Oct, 1720, who died on 14th February, 1759, aged 39 and Barbara Westwater, born/chr. 14th April, 1723. who died on 23rd October, 1761 at the age of 38.
Again, I hope that the above information will be of assistance to other researchers and give them as much pleasure as I had in compiling it.
Best wishes to you and yours,
Tom.
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teadealer
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Hi Tom
I look forward to your postings,I never really followed any of the branches of my tree of that particular time,but,youv'e made it interesting.
Thanks
Peter
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tommacgregor
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Hi Peter,
Very many thanks for your kindness in responding so quickly. That's greatly appreciated. I will continue with my work and be in touch with you again.
Best wishes to you and yours.
Tom.
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