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Topic: St Giles Suffolk ???? (Read 482 times)
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suffolk*sue
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Can you post the census references you have found him on. Thanks.
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Got no idea what this could be, though on the IGI there is an Edward of the correct age bap. in Ilketshall. 
I wonder if he was in the army, if so maybe his service records may give his place of birth.
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There is a place called Mellis in North Suffolk, but really haven't a clue. 
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Annette7
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The Edward baptised in Illketshall died as as infant (forgot to note exactly when) as did his mother Ann bur.11/6/1814 aged 32 per NBI.
I agree the 1851 Census entry appears to read St. Miles but as we Suffolk folk know there is no such place!
Annette
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Scopes (One-Name Study - Worldwide) Suffolk - Grist, Knights, Bullenthorpe, Watcham Scotland - Spence, Horne, Cowan, Moffat London - Monk Don't walk behind me, I may not lead. Don't walk in front of me, I may not follow. Just walk beside me and be my friend. Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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wawa
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Thankyou to everyone who is trying to help solve my little problem, I have had the Edward from the IGI born in Ilketshall 1814 in my notes for quite awhile but have never been able to back it up, I have always wondered if the transcript on the 1861 census could actually be Ilketshall, but the 1851 census through me off, the place of birth do's look like St Giles/Miles.
I did find a St Giles Church in Risby, Suffolk, and on the UK Free BDM there is a marriage for Ann Crickmore 1848 at a place called Bloomsbury, Suffolk that use to be called St Giles, not to sure about the Suffolk districts but if someone can pinpoint one of these area's close to Iilketshall how cool would that be.
My cousin from another line of the tree thought the 1851 census could be Le Wills, there is a Le Willows in Walsham, Sufflok but this has just been ruled out from another rootschatter who is trying to help solve my puzzle as well (thankyou Yvonne) who did the search in the Le Willows area for me, but she has found this for me regarding the 1861 census, TheGenealogist.co.uk -and their own transcription states the place of birth as Melksham, suffolk, although I can´t reconcile that with the census return! There doesn´t appear to be a Melksham in Suffolk anyway, only Wiltshire.
Edward Crickmore is recorded on several certificates for his children as a soldier in the 1st Order Royal Dragoons, have not been able to find war records so far, he is also recorded as a Chelsea Pensioner on his death certificate in 1870 but again unable to find pension records, I live in Australia which makes it a little harder to go and look.
Went back onto the IGI last night to have another look and while looking at the Edward Crickmer of Ilketshall again, noticed above his name was a James Crickmore born with exactly the same details, so I'm guessing twins although I have never noticed this entry for James before, anyway I start to wonder if just maybe it is the one that I want, you see the family name carried down over the centuries is Edward James Crickmore.
That now seems to be wrong as Annette7 says that Edward died in infancy, not possible that it was James that died instead of Edward.
Thankyou again to everyone, I refuse to give up and determined to crack this one.
Cheers
Nari
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« Last Edit: Saturday 10 May 08 06:37 BST (UK) by wawa »
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Fairbanks Family - Staffordshire and Derbyshire Area
Crickmore Family - Salford and Altrincham Area
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Annette7
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Have been checking 1851/61/71 Census for people listed as born St. Miles, Suffolk (yes, there are some others) and checking these people out it would seem the place they came from is St Michael South Elmham. Plus, as a bonus, there were Crickmore's living there too. The only Edward Crickmore I can find on IGI is:
Edward Crickmere bp.1/10/1809 South Elmham St. Peter, son of James Crickmere and Hannah Howson. In 1841 James (70) and Hannah (75) are in St Michael South Elmham as Crickmore.
If you want to check out some of these others I found I'll list a few so you can see I haven't gone off my head. (There are 5 South Elmham villages - St. Cross, St. Margaret, St. Michael, St. James and All Saints all next to each other just south of Bungay).
In 1861 - shown born St. Miles, Suffolk - there's a John Bacon bc.1840 in Bungay (shown as just St. Nicholas in 1851), Deborah Day bc.1792, wife of James, (shown as St. Michael South Elmham in 1851), Joseph Bidwell bc.1782 (shown as St. Michael South Elmham in 1851), Marcus Flaxman bc.1851 (shown as St. Michael 1851), William Harding bc.1796 (St Miles also on 1851 but his baptism on IGI is at St. Michael South Elmham), Emily Smith bc.1813, wife of James, (St Michael in 1851).
In 1871 there's a Maria Curtis bc.1813 (shown as St. Michael in 1861) and a Henry Woodgate bc.1835 (shown as St. Michaels in 1861).
The Edward Crickmere brn 1809 South Elmham entry on IGI is a submitted entry - other children appear to be Harriet bp.20/4/1807 at St. Peter, Hannah bp.17/2/1805 St. Margaret (who must have died) and 2 baptised 20/4/1807 (twins ?) Benjamin and another Hannah.
Why this area was referred to as St. Miles I don't know - perhaps a local nickname?
Very late now so must go to bed.
Annette
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Scopes (One-Name Study - Worldwide) Suffolk - Grist, Knights, Bullenthorpe, Watcham Scotland - Spence, Horne, Cowan, Moffat London - Monk Don't walk behind me, I may not lead. Don't walk in front of me, I may not follow. Just walk beside me and be my friend. Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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wawa
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Thanks Annette,
I was up till 1am this morning going through the IGI and did make reference to the Edward born at St Elmham, my head now hurts but the info coming in is great and hopefully getting closer to solving, what I think will solve this mystery is the marriage certificate of Edward and Hannah Crickmore which I of course have also not been able to locate, with the marriage cert I can at least locate Edwards fathers name which will certainly help. so if anyone has some new ideas on that I would be very greatful.
Edward and Hannah had there first child James in 1840, Hannah was born sometime around 1820 in Cork Ireland, which would have made her around 20 years old when she had James, so I'm guessing that if they married it would have to be sometime from 1838 to 1840  ?. As Edward was in the Dragoons which had them moving around alot I'm not to sure where they may have married, I can't seem to find a reference to them anywhere on the IGI or the BDM sites, James was born at the Sheffield Barracks, Eccleshall Bierlow, York.
I have gone back through all the certs that I do have on this family but nothing really helps, there where five children born to Edward and Hannah and all of them where born somewhere different and with Edward in the Dragoons maybe Edward and Hannah actually met and married in Ireland which is where she is from although I can't find anything on this either.
Cheers
Nari
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Fairbanks Family - Staffordshire and Derbyshire Area
Crickmore Family - Salford and Altrincham Area
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Annette7
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NBI Burials show that Edward Crickmore infant was buried same day as his mother Ann - 11/6/1814.
James Crickmore 89 bur. 11/9/1853 South Elmham St Michael
Hannah Crickmore 81 bur. 6/4/1848 ditto
Annette
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Scopes (One-Name Study - Worldwide) Suffolk - Grist, Knights, Bullenthorpe, Watcham Scotland - Spence, Horne, Cowan, Moffat London - Monk Don't walk behind me, I may not lead. Don't walk in front of me, I may not follow. Just walk beside me and be my friend. Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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meles
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Annette - well done! And now we know the answer, it's obvious - say St Michaels" with a strong Suffolk accent and it sounds like "St Miles" to the unitiated.
meles
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Brock: Alburgh, Norfolk, and after 1850, London; Tooley: Norfolk Grimmer: Norfolk; Grimson: Norfolk Harrison: London; Pollock Dixon: Hampshire; Collins: Middx Jeary: Norfolk; Davison: Norfolk Rogers: London; Bartlett: London Drew: Kent; Alden: Hants Gamble: Yorkshire; Huntingford: East London Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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