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Nick29
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All the men in my father's surname line seem to have been bricklayers or labourers. At the moment, I'm hitting a bit of a brick wall (excuse the pun !  ) trying to work out the movements of my g.g. grandfather William Martin and his brother Thomas. William was born about 1805, and I'm not sure where - all the census says is "London, Middlesex", and his brother (born about 1808) was born in Plaistow, Near Bromley in Kent, according to the census. The two brothers were married to two sisters - William to Mary Wood, born in Chipping, Herts, about 1807, and Thomas to Amy Wood, also born in Chipping in about 1806.
Through the IGI and parish records, I found that William & Mary were married in St. Nicholas Church, Plumstead, Kent on 10 Feb 1833, and on the parish record the witnesses were Thomas Martin & Amy Martin, so Thomas & Amy obviously got married first, but I can't find out where. Both brothers ended up in Eltham, and Thomas & Amy ran a greengrocers shop in Eltham High Street, and William & Mary moved in with Amy when Thomas died in 1856.
Since I can't actually pin down where the family came from, it's making things very difficult to go back any further. Is there anything in the journeymen bricklayer connection that would help explain their movements ? Obviously they would have to have travelled to Chipping to meet the sisters at some stage, and there was a lot of building going on at the time, with the railway network expanding. Of course, it's possible that the Wood sisters may have come to Plumstead, but I can't find any family connections to the area.
Can any more experienced Roots Chatters suggest something which may help unlock this puzzle ? Records of new building work in Chipping and Plumstead or Eltham ? Or something else that a relative novice has overlooked ?
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Field - Luton & Islington Hole - Somerset, Suffolk & Surrey Farnish, Parker, Cattermole, Last, Wasp, Church - Suffolk Martin - Eltham & Greenwich, Kent (London) Lewin/Lowin/Lowen - Hertfordhire Stead - Greenwich, London (Kent) & Maidstone Wood - Hertfordshire Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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My guess would be that at least one of the Wood sisters came to the Bromley / Catford area for work, and things blossomed from there. Not impossible, but unlikely that the bros travelled to Herts for work, when it would have been plentiful in SE London / Kent ??
[The word 'Journeyman' used as in a Tradesmans job 'description', didnt actually mean 'travel', it was to do (originally) with being paid a 'Daily Rate' (French Journ้e ...) having finished one's apprenticeship ....]
That part of SE London / Kent isnt well known to me, but you should be able to find out where Parish Registers for Bromley / Plaistow are archived - if one of the brothers used Plaistow as a PoB, the odds are high thats where they both originated ?
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER 1678, Gt BardField, Essex EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY 1711, Ickleton, Cambs DAVISON 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK 1850, Carlisle KEW 1814, Carlisle |
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Nick29
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Thanks for the information on the "journeyman" thing - I had assumed it just meant someone who travelled around with a trade.
The concept that the sisters came to London/Kent had crossed my mind - the idea that work was plentiful where the brothers were had eluded me, and I'll look into the sisters coming to London/Kent.
If anyone else has ideas like this, please keep them coming - I need all the help I can get !
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Field - Luton & Islington Hole - Somerset, Suffolk & Surrey Farnish, Parker, Cattermole, Last, Wasp, Church - Suffolk Martin - Eltham & Greenwich, Kent (London) Lewin/Lowin/Lowen - Hertfordhire Stead - Greenwich, London (Kent) & Maidstone Wood - Hertfordshire Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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It never ceases to amaze me how mobile they all were - even pre-Railways .......
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER 1678, Gt BardField, Essex EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY 1711, Ickleton, Cambs DAVISON 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK 1850, Carlisle KEW 1814, Carlisle |
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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I would say you need to start chasing the births. You say one of them was born in Plaistow, Kent. There was no Plaistow church in operation at the time so it would be Bromley, Kent.
Original registers (SS Peter & Paul) are at Bromley, microfilm at Maidstone. BTs are at Maidstone. Also the Mormons seem to have them on film - order FHL BRITISH Film 1042453.
Beware of scope for confusion - there is a Plaistow near Bromley in Kent, as you know. There is also a Plaistow near Bromley in East London.
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Nick29
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Thanks very much for the information on the FHL microfilm. I've not used an LDS centre before, but I guess it's time I did !
Just one (probably stupid) question...... if the Mormons have the microfilm of the Plaistow church records, why haven't I found it on the IGI, or doesn't it work like that ? I'm afraid I'm still very much a novice with parish registers and the LDS centres.
I'm very grateful for everyone's help.
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Field - Luton & Islington Hole - Somerset, Suffolk & Surrey Farnish, Parker, Cattermole, Last, Wasp, Church - Suffolk Martin - Eltham & Greenwich, Kent (London) Lewin/Lowin/Lowen - Hertfordhire Stead - Greenwich, London (Kent) & Maidstone Wood - Hertfordshire Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Just one (probably stupid) question...... if the Mormons have the microfilm of the Plaistow church records, why haven't I found it on the IGI, or doesn't it work like that ? I'm afraid I'm still very much a novice with parish registers and the LDS centres.
Quite simply because it takes a lot of voluntary effort to transcribe records and these haven't been transcribed.
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Living in Berkshire. Origin Northampton & Milton Keynes DETAILS OF THE FOLLOWING NAMES CAN BE FOUND IN SURNAME INTERESTS AT FOOT OF PAGE Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Williams, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley. Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse Census Info is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Nick29
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Ahh, I knew it would be something simple, thanks ! 
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