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Topic: NEWLYN "brickwall" in East London (Read 1306 times)
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Troy
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Hi Casalquida, thanks so much for responding.
I don't think your Newlyn's are same family as mine (although having said that not a very common name) but certainly you have my interest with the Newlands at Salutation Alley.
I have birth certificates for, I hope, my grandfather Henry Walter and his sister Emily Margaret. My grandfather was born at 2 Salutation Alley 1876, his sister earlier 1869 but at 20 Robert Street. Both were registered as Newlan, their Mother Elizabeth (nee King) made her mark, so presume she could not perhaps read either and wouldn't have known. The father William Newlyn (if it be the same William) remarried later to someone else and he also made his mark. In 1891 and 1901 Wm and new wife Jane were at 3 Cock Yard Woolwich.
Also, on the marriage cert of William's brother John (fishmonger) there is a note that he was mistakenly named as Newland on the cert (which I presumed to mean his birth cert). Unfortunately not been able to find birth record yet to verify.
Theressa Newlyn was a witness at my grandfather's marriage to Adelaide Emma Welch in 1899.
These Newlyns are really getting to me, have not been able to get moving for ages because of all the mis-spellings NewLAN, NewLAND, NewLYN, NewLIN etc etc but because you've found Newland at Salutation Alley and the connection there between my grandfather's birth record and the John Newlyn/Newland note on the marriage cert, must be the right family.
I am desperate to see that 1871 census record you mentioned but I can't find it. Did you by any chance download a copy of the record at Salutation Alley, Is there any way I can get a copy please - or can you give me the RG number and I can look for it by that means.
Can't thank you enough for this, might be the breakthrough I need.
Best wishes
Jan
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I am researching Bailey, Newlyn, Welch, Pickering,Clarke, Broad, Burch, Parkes, Power, Nickels, Coulter, Delieu, Walker, Huxstep, Padgen, Inglis, McCartney, Crawford.
The areas are: Woolwich, Plumstead, Bexley, Portsmouth, Eltham, Paddington, St. Pancras, Middleton Norfolk and any connection with Bailey and Royal Artillery
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casalguidi
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Hi Jan
1871
2 Salutation Alley, Woolwich St Mary
William NEWLAND head mar 50 labourer R. Arsenal b.Caunt? Essex
Elizabeth wife 38 b.Plumstead Kent
William son 16 labourer R. Arsenal b.Plumstead
John son 14 b.Plumstead
Philip son 11 b.Plumstead
Arthur son 9 b.Woolwich
James son 6 b.Woolwich
RG10/783 folio 66 page 8
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1881
8 Harden/Harnden Lane, Woolwich
William NEWLAN head mar 58 gen lab b.Essex
Elizabeth wife 49 b.Plumstead
Phillip son 20 gen lab b.Plumstead
James son 16 gen lab b.Plumstead
Alfred son 13 b.Plumstead
George son 9 b.Plumstead
Henry son 6 b.Woolwich
Emily dau 4 b.Woolwich
RG11/746 folio 23 page 37
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Hi again Casalquida
UPDATE
You are a STAR *****
Whoops our posts crossed, I'll re-do -
I've been frantically looking for that Census since I read what you said. I found it and was posting as you posted your reply. I couldn't read that Essex bit either, I read it as County Essex  LOL
These guys have to be my family. The 3 sons Philip, Arthur and James in the 1871 tie in with other info we already have but couldn't marry up. More brothers!!
I cannot understand how I missed this, I've downloaded so many records I've gone boss-eyed.
Having another look at your own Newlyns - a recently found Newlyn relative of mine has put together a spreadsheet with all our combined efforts and your names are in there I seem to recall, I'll get on to him again - but I had no confirmed Essex connections. There is an aged Uncle with a very good memory who has provided lots of info on Essex Newlyns, Barking Road, Mayfield Road, Clarence Road in the early 1900s. His grandfather is John Newlyn, fishmonger. Your info here has given me the connection, this is the first time I have the brothers William and John together - along with others I knew nothing about. The mis-spelling Newland is no surprise either. There is also an aged aunt in Oz (not a Newlyn but from another twig) who says they were Newlands (with an 's') and came from up North. There are Newlyns up North, but not these particular ones. So, probably all connected. There's always a bit of truth in every legend I think. So William (the elder) at Salutation Alley born in Essex might give us the link after all.
The 1881 Census is disconcerting, obviously same family - if you ignore the spelling - the Henry and Emily have me worried (if they are my Grandfather and his sister) because listed as son and daughter which would make Elizabeth 43 and 45 respectively at birth - also, if they are children and not grandchildren the ages are the wrong way around.
If Elizabeth King (Mother on birth certs) is not this Elizabeth I now have to look for a King family at Robert Street to see if my g.aunt (Emily) is there with mother Elizabeth (who must be about 16 as well), unless she was a lot older than my g.grandfather William at Salutation Alley LOL.
Once again, big thanks. This is my break-through of that brickwall.
I do hope you are having success with your Newlyns. If you need any searches done, you only have to ask, I'd be very happy to do it. I'll give you my private mail but I'm not sure how to send you private e-mail through this site. If you want it, I'll willingly give you all the info I have gathered so far.
Let me know
Good wishes
Jan
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I am researching Bailey, Newlyn, Welch, Pickering,Clarke, Broad, Burch, Parkes, Power, Nickels, Coulter, Delieu, Walker, Huxstep, Padgen, Inglis, McCartney, Crawford.
The areas are: Woolwich, Plumstead, Bexley, Portsmouth, Eltham, Paddington, St. Pancras, Middleton Norfolk and any connection with Bailey and Royal Artillery
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Wrong occupation, strange place and wrong place of birth, but right name and age fits marriage, so might be worth considering:
1891 RG12/577
William Newlin (indexed as Newtin), 26, gardener, b Paddington, Middx
lodging in Surrey.
Richard
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Thanks for this Richard
Will follow it up
Regards
Jan
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I am researching Bailey, Newlyn, Welch, Pickering,Clarke, Broad, Burch, Parkes, Power, Nickels, Coulter, Delieu, Walker, Huxstep, Padgen, Inglis, McCartney, Crawford.
The areas are: Woolwich, Plumstead, Bexley, Portsmouth, Eltham, Paddington, St. Pancras, Middleton Norfolk and any connection with Bailey and Royal Artillery
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Thanks for this Richard
Will follow it up
Regards
Jan
Please do, although I was hoping it might be Casalguidi's William!
Richard
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Knott,Boutell,Warman,Winder,Webster,Uings,Evans,Drage
Pike,Pike,Watson,Pratt,Homewood,Stephenson,Brown,Pattison
Holmes,Tomlinson,Moorby,Cardus,Gill,Lambert,Binns,Emmott
Fenning,Pudney,Wilson,Walker,Hine,Treeby,Knox,Butler
Jack,Carswell,Gardiner,Alexander,Gibb,Watson,Naismith,Telfer
Gray,Inglis,Gibb,Watson,Taylor,Taylor,Gaff,Henderson
Gayford,Clarke,Palmer,Jessup,Smart,Hutson,Lloyd,Northover
Ridley,Lee,?,Mingings,Moore,Colthart,Lawson,Hind
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Hello Richard
Yes, I think it probably is - don't think he's mine but they're all linked I think
KRs
Jan
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I am researching Bailey, Newlyn, Welch, Pickering,Clarke, Broad, Burch, Parkes, Power, Nickels, Coulter, Delieu, Walker, Huxstep, Padgen, Inglis, McCartney, Crawford.
The areas are: Woolwich, Plumstead, Bexley, Portsmouth, Eltham, Paddington, St. Pancras, Middleton Norfolk and any connection with Bailey and Royal Artillery
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