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tecumsah
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I've already discovered how difficult it is to trace a lost ancestor after the 1901 census - it's one thing working backwards through 19th century records but forwards is an absolute nightmare. But what about tracing from 1953 back to that 1901 census. I have found a death certificate from 1953 for a woman we believe to be my wife's great grandmother. She fell out with the family around the turn of the last century and was not heard of again.
We now have this death certificate but no way of proving it is who we think it is - can anybody advise us on how to go about tracing her life back to 1901, the last time we know exactly where she was?
She must have claimed old age pension, probably paid rent, lived through two wars and held a ration book, would have registered with a doctor after the introduction of the NHS, maybe even bought something on higher purchase - she just must have left a paper trail like we all do with addresses and dob and that kind of stuff. Is there any way we can track these things down or is all that info private?
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nanny jan
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Hi,
Who was the informant on the death certificate? Does it give a relationship.....son/husband etc.?
You could look for a marriage; the cert would have details of her father.
If you want to put more details I'm sure there'll be Rootschatters eager to help you!
Nanny Jan
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stonechat
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You didn't say where the death took place
There are Electoral registers, the BT phone books on Ancestry, and newspapers.
Bob
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tecumsah
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Thankyou for your helpful suggestions – they're all much appreciated.
But what about other types of record? What we really need to know is something like her place of birth, her parents' names or what she did for a living? Is there any way of finding that out? Just answering one of those questions will help confirm her as the person we've been seeking for so long.
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kooky
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If you have the death certificate, it should tell you how old she was. It may give her maiden name. You could then search for a birth in a GRO index.
It should also tell you who her husband was, and what he did for a living.
There will be at least one address - hers, and possibly one for the informant. Then electoral rolls, and directories will be helpful.
If you were to put more details on here, someone will be able to help you.
I would suspect that the 'paper trail' you mention is not open for public perusal!
Kooky
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silvery
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You could get the grandmother's birth certificate, that would get you started. Or even post some details. Help is at hand.
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kooky
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Tecumsah!
Please come back and give us some details!
Someone will be able to help you!
Kooky
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Clulo - Staffs.,Warwickshire, Lancs.1780 -1950
Fisher- Nafferton,Hull, Manchester.1770-1840-1950
Kane&McNeill,Forkhill, Armagh and Glasgow,Bray Dublin.1850s -1920
Boshell and Dowzard- Dublin, 1840s -1911
Kay/Bremner Edinburgh 1800 - 1841.Kay Staffs.& Lancs1842 -1901
Kay - Newcastle on Tyne 1780-1861
Swindell[s], Marple & Manchester 1900->
Makinson, M/c & Prestwich 1870 ->
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tecumsah
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Sorry about being so mysterious - it wasn't my intention.
Let me try to explain clearly the situation we're in although it involves rehashing stuff I've put on previous posts on this website.
We are trying to find out what became of my wife's great grandmother, a woman named Sarah Fogden. She was born in Paddington Workhouse on January 9, 1873 - daughter of Caroline and George Fogden. Sarah went on to have two children - a girl and a boy - out of wedlock and was still unmarried by the time of the 1901 census when she was working as a domestic servent for a clergyman in Kilburn. From that point on nobody in the family has a clue what became of Sarah.
We have been trying to track down Sarah for a few years now without success but recently found a death certificate for a spinster, Sarah Fogden, who died, aged 83, in Langthorne Hospital, East London, on March 13, 1953. Our Sarah would, in fact, have been 80 in 1953 but as the Sarah on the death certificate has no family mentioned or date of birth given, we thought it would be a simple matter for the age to be wrong.
We are now trying to find ways to track backwards (hence my earlier postings) to find out what we can about the Sarah on the death certificate. Is she my wife's great grandmother or just another Sarah Fogden who happened to be unmarried?
Reading this back I'm not sure I've made myself any clearer but I hope that anybody interested can understand what we're trying to do. We have mixed feelings about the death certificate we came across - part of us would love it to be our Sarah but then, if it was, we feel so sorry that she died alone and maybe unloved without anybody in what is a rather large family to place a flower on her grave.
If anybody thinks they can help us out in our search we'd be ever so grateful.
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casalguidi
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Hi
Have you tried looking for any hospital records  http://www.rootschat.com/links/03ft/
Any will or administration of effects that may mention relatives? Burial or cremation records? Any newspaper announcement?
Is there an address (other than the hospital) given on the death certificate that could be traced in the electoral registers?
FOGDEN doesn't appear to be that common a name so there is quite a good possibility that it's her if there are no other Sarah FOGDENs born around that time frame.
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carol8353
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Hi there,
Don't forget that ages on death certs are notoriously wrong.
I wonder who gave that info to the registrar.If you say there was no family member mentioned,it could be that her age was slightly out.
So don't take the 1870 birth as gospel truth.
Carol
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kooky
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There is a birth for Sarah Fogden March qu. 1873 ref. Kensington 1a 19 in Free BMD. Is this she?
Where was she in the 1901 census? Did she have her children with her? When and where were her children born? Do you have certs. with an address on them, even if no father?
Have you found her in 1891 or 1881 censuses?
Kooky
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Clulo - Staffs.,Warwickshire, Lancs.1780 -1950
Fisher- Nafferton,Hull, Manchester.1770-1840-1950
Kane&McNeill,Forkhill, Armagh and Glasgow,Bray Dublin.1850s -1920
Boshell and Dowzard- Dublin, 1840s -1911
Kay/Bremner Edinburgh 1800 - 1841.Kay Staffs.& Lancs1842 -1901
Kay - Newcastle on Tyne 1780-1861
Swindell[s], Marple & Manchester 1900->
Makinson, M/c & Prestwich 1870 ->
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