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suffolk*sue
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From Camdex
Baptism.
1835/ WOODLAND William B. /- Fitzwilliam Street/ s. of James & Elizabeth /Camb. St.Mary Ls
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suffolk*sue
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I think the family are here in 1841, minus William. 
HO107/86/12 - Cambridge, St. Mary the Less
Folio 10, Page 14
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suffolk*sue
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Possible marriage from Boyds marriage index.
1825 / WOODLAND JAS/ BONNET ELZ / NEWMARKET ALL SAINTS / SUFFOLK
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Valda
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A possible marriage (full records at the British Library)
http://www.bl.uk/collections/oiocfamilyhistory/family.html
Presidency of Marriage BENGAL
Marriage Year 1860
Husband First Names William
Husband Surname Woodland
Wife First Names Jane
Wife Surname Johnson
Prefix N1
Source Year 1860
Volume Number 98
Folio 360
LDS Film Reference 499001
Taken from thew FIBIS website
http://www.fibis.org/
A birth certificate of one of the children born in this country would confirm or eliminate this marriage
Births Jun 1870
Woodland Walter Salford 8d 126
The marriage details would confirm Jane and William's fathers details.
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Valda
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The Cambs FHS website at http://www.cfhs.org.uk/Search.html which has various indexes including a baptism index 1801-37 only shows one William Woodland, and he's the one who was buried aged 3 weeks - he's also on the burial index on the same site but as Wm B, which a search for William doesn't pick up. So your William wasn't baptised in Cambs, although in later censuses his birthplace is consistently shown as Cambridge.
There was only the one Woodland family living in Cambs in 1841 - the parents of the wrong William, and their other children.
All of the Woodlands in the Burial Index are children of the other family with the exception of a James Woodland aged 37 who was buried in 1835. It might be worth checking out his background, as he's of the right age.
Why should William have been with a widowed mother Elizabeth in 1841? Where has she sprung from?
David
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Sandyq
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Hi David,
I had thought that my William was the son of James and Elizabeth(nee Bonnett), who were married in 1825 Newmarket,Cambridge, as you mention James died in 1835 and I thought William would be with his widowed mother Elizabeth, which is why I then looked for a death of William and found it ..William B aged 3 weeks.
So...the first trace of the correct William (Army man) is in the1851 census which gives his
birth circa 1832, his previous whereabouts seem a complete mystery, he certainly seemed to have thought he was born at St Mary,Cambridge, am at a loss now.
Any suggestions ?
Kind Regards
Sandra
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Valda
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It is an expensive process to order anything from the British Library via their search services
http://www.bl.uk/collections/oiocfamilyhistory/family.html#search
or you can visit, ask for a look up from anyone visiting, or engage a researcher. First however I would want to be sure it was the correct marriage and the way to do that is to obtain one of the children's birth certificates to confirm their mother's maiden name.
Have you been able to find William's second marriage details or or indeed his death registration?
1891 census RG12 3243 folio 80
427 Oldham Road Manchester
William Woodland 58 Head Married Timekeeper and army pensioner Cambridge
Rachel Woodland 50 Wife Married Broker Ilminster Somerset
Marriages Dec 1898
Rawlinson William Manchester 8d 378
Woodland Rachel Manchester 8d 378
1901 census RG13 3751 folio 75
427 Oldham Road Manchester
William Rowlinson 55 Head Married Railway Engine Driver Roplsey Lincolnshire
Rachel Rowlinson 60 Wife Married Broker's Ilton Somerset
Earlier censuses - 1871 and 1881 give Rachel's maiden name as Webb.
As William was an army pensioner on the 1891, 1881 and 1871 censuses The National Archives will hold his army attestation papers but you may need to know what regiment he was in to access them. William's two children who were born abroad probably have their births registered in the army section of the GRO civil registration index. The overseas indexes of the GRO are not indexed on FreeBMD but you can access them on Findmypast.
http://www.findmypast.com/home.jsp
William's son Walter's records at The Royal Miliary Asylum Kings Road Chelsea (where he was in 1881) are also worth pursuing at The National Archives.
St Mary the Less (Little St Mary - as on the 1881 census for William's birthplace) parish registers are not covered by the IGI or the BVRI so it will be worth searching them.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/CAM/Cambridge/StMarytheLess/index.html
Judging by a possible for William's death registration you might want to be a little more flexible in searching for him.
Deaths Sep 1896
Woodland Walter William 63 Manchester 8d 220
I would also search for any possible illegitimate births for William which might explain why he is more difficult to find on the 1841 census.
Regards
Valda
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Still brainstorming
There's a burial in Cambridge on FreeBMD of Elizabeth Woodland in 1846. Might this be the widow?
In 1841 there's an Elizabeth Wood.... transcribed as hams but I'm not convinced, age 36 with William 14, living in King St, All Saints Cambridge. William's age is wrong but who knows? Might be worth looking at a bit closer, but I'm less than convinced!
But whilst St Mary the Less may not be on the IGI or BVRI they have been transcribed by Cambs FHS and baptisms are included on the Baptism Index on their web site mentioned in my earlier message - and there is a Walter W Woodland son of James & Elizabeth in 1834, presumably the Walter aged 8 that Sue found in 1841 and possibly the 63 year old Walter William whose death in 1896 Valda found. Did he use William rather than Walter?
David
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I am trying a different tack here and this maybe completely fanciful.
Could this young man not be who he says he is. Could he have taken the name Woodland as he didn't want his real identity known. Maybe he knew the Woodlands and liked the name.
No I haven't been at the sherry. 
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That's always a possibility Sue, particularly when the army is concerned. Proving it might be a bit of a problem though!
I still fancy the Walter William Woodland (was he the original www) - it would need his death cert to see who the informant was, hopefully Rachel, and the address which might tie up with the 1891 census.
Walter aged 8 appears in 1841, but then disappears - no show in later censuses and no death in Cambs.
It would also need a check of St Mary the Less parish register to see if Walter's middle name really was William, as the Cambs FHS index gives only the initial.
David
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