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jennifer c
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Good morning Bryant,
On Sthwales 2nd from last post he states John snr is deceased on the marriage certificate in 1889...........
Jennifer
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jennifer c
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Hello Clive,
To settle a small problem, which John was deceased and on which John's marriage certificate please.
Was it John Snr. born Germany who was shown as deceased on his son's marriage in 1889 to Annie Earle?
Thank you
Jennifer
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Bryant
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Grandfather Bryant 1897
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Might be wasting time if it be the wrong one 
Just dashing out but there's a possible King connection in Herts that might be worth looking into. A Robert Gray may have married an Ann King; a James Valentine may have married an Elizabeth King. My PC just crashed and I've lost the details...Anne Gray was from Hatfield...
JAMES VALENTINE married ELIZABETH KING.....1860...Mar qtr....Hatfield R.D (Hertfordshire)
James Valentine seems to to be a fairly common name. There is a death in Prescot in 1Q 1864...but no ages shown in the death indices at that time.
Elizabeth Valentine (formerly King) married Samuel Templeman on the 17th July 1864 at Old Church, St Pancras.......
1871
4 North Avenue, St James, Clerkenwell, Middlesex
Samuel Templeman head 29 labourer Herts, Colegreen?
Elizabeth " wife 30 " "
Emma " daur 4 Middx, ?
Harriet " daur 2 " ?
Elizabeth " daur 7 months " ?
Robert King brother in law 28 (unm) carman " ?
George King " 18 (unm) labourer " ?-----------
1851 CENSUS:
Halls Yard, Park Street, Hatfield, Hertfordshire
Benjamin King 44 Head General Labourer Hatfield, Hertfordshire
Mary King 45 Wife Char Woman do
Ann King 17 Daur General Servant do
Sarah King 15 Daur General Servant do
Benjamin King 13 Son At Home do
Elizabeth King 12 Daur At Home do
Joseph King J 8 Son Scholar do
Robert King 6 Son Scholar do
George King 1 Son do
Joseph Currell 28 Brother Agricultural Labourer do
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1861 CENSUS
Halls Yard, Park Street, Hatfield, Hertfordshire
Benjamin King 54 Head Labourer Hostlre in Inn Essendon, Hertfordshire
Mary " 55 Wife Char Woman Hatfield, "
Sarah " 25 daur General Servant " "
Robert " 15 son ag lab " "
George " 12 son ag lab " "
Arthur " 2 grandson " "
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next door
Benjamin King 24 lodger (unm) ag lab Hatfield, Hertfordshire---------------
1881 census
8 Derby Street, Prescot, Lancashire
Robert Gray Head 47 gardener West Laulder, Scotland
Ann " Wife 44 Hatfield, Hertford
Mary Ann " Daur 12 scholar Huyton, Lancashire
Rhoda " Daur 8 Huyton, Lancashire (b. 1872...Jun qtr...Prescott R.D)
John Robert " Son 6 Huyton, Lancashire
JOHN VALENTINE Nephew 18 gen lab Leeds, York
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1871
Cottage, The Hazles, Huyton with Roby, Lancs
Robert Gray Head 36 gardener West Caulder, Scotland
Mary Anne " Wife 35 Hatfield, Hertford
Mary Anne " Daur 2 Huyton, Lancashire
JOHN J VALENTINE nephew 9 Middle Borough, Yorkshire
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But is this him in the 1891 census, born in London ?
13 Maxwell Street, St Helens RG12/3023 F 39 p.78
John Valentine 29 Head Railway Carter London, Middlesex
Annie Valentine 24 Wife Prescot, Lancashire
Rosa Valentine 5 Daughter St Helens, Lancashire
And in 1901:
19 Cook Street, Prescot
RG13/3516 f80 p159
John J Valentine 40 Head General Labourer London Kings Cross,
Annie Valentine 34 Wife Eccleston
Rhoda Valentine 8 Daughter St Helens
John R Valentine 6 Son St Helens
Richard E Valentine 3 Son Liverpool
Rhoda.......born St Helens........St Helens is part of PRESCOT R.D
Bryant
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Researching names BRYANT (Camberwell), PASTERFIELD (Essex and all), RAY (Holborn/Islington areas back to Brentford), POWELL (Glouc & beyond?) Fletcher (Glouc into Warwickshie into Lancs?), BUCKLEY (Chatham area), Watson (Chatham area). Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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carol8353
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I've only just joined this search but the c1889 marriage cert is here
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,304825.new.html#new
John Valentine(the 27 year old groom) was a Carter....it's his deceased dad James who was a labourer.
Have we cottoned on to that fact yet?
Carol
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukRogers, Rapkin, Phillips - Hammersmith/Fulham/Paddington areas Worth Bailey, Heapy, Burgess. All Macclesfield Cheshire Mockridge,West Monkton Somerset Jenner,Clapham Surrey Kendrick,Liverpool Wensley,Somerset Coleman and Mc Namara from Ennis, Co Clare, Ireland Blake and Maloney from Kilbaha Co Clare, Ireland |
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carol8353
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But is this him in the 1891 census, born in London ?
13 Maxwell Street, St Helens RG12/3023 F 39 p.78
John Valentine 29 Head Railway Carter London, Middlesex
Annie Valentine 24 Wife Prescot, Lancashire
Rosa Valentine 5 Daughter St Helens, Lancashire
Yes Shaun I think it is 
His job as a Railway Carter fits in with the marriage cert of barely 2 years before.
Presumably that job is what took him 'up north' to have met Annie in the first place?
I wonder who Rosa belongs to (is she the Rosalina Valentine born Leigh Lancs in Sept 1887?)-just Annie or is she his n hers
Carol
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukRogers, Rapkin, Phillips - Hammersmith/Fulham/Paddington areas Worth Bailey, Heapy, Burgess. All Macclesfield Cheshire Mockridge,West Monkton Somerset Jenner,Clapham Surrey Kendrick,Liverpool Wensley,Somerset Coleman and Mc Namara from Ennis, Co Clare, Ireland Blake and Maloney from Kilbaha Co Clare, Ireland |
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carol8353
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And in 1901:
19 Cook Street, Prescot
RG13/3516 f80 p159
John J Valentine 40 Head General Labourer London Kings Cross,
Annie Valentine 34 Wife Eccleston
Rhoda Valentine 8 Daughter St Helens
John R Valentine 6 Son St Helens
Richard E Valentine 3 Son Liverpool
And although his job here says General labourer,if you look at all the others on that census page there are many who are Wire workers,which is exactly what he is on daughter Elizabeth's birth cert dated 1st July 1901 on the linked page.
Carol
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukRogers, Rapkin, Phillips - Hammersmith/Fulham/Paddington areas Worth Bailey, Heapy, Burgess. All Macclesfield Cheshire Mockridge,West Monkton Somerset Jenner,Clapham Surrey Kendrick,Liverpool Wensley,Somerset Coleman and Mc Namara from Ennis, Co Clare, Ireland Blake and Maloney from Kilbaha Co Clare, Ireland |
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