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Topic: New Topic - Seeking Julia Foley c1898 - c1903 in Midleton (Read 292 times)
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kingofcary
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I realize this could be an extremely long shot. Appreciate any pointers possible. Am looking for the birth record of my father's mother Julia Foley. I believe she was born in Midleton, Ireland in approximately 1898 - 1903. She moved to the US by herself when she was 18 years old. Again, any help appreciated .. thank you ..
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AMBLY
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Hi kingofcary
Welcome to Rootschat 
Do you have your Julia on a passenger list into the US?
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AMBLY
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HI Ambley
If it is Ok can you tell us when and where your father was born as it may help track down Julia Foley.
Did she marry or was she single when she gave birth to your father?
Wendy
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kingofcary
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Very much appreciate the responses to try and help me out  I have some new and maybe better info. It appears Julia Foley was born in 1890 in Midleton. She came to the US possibly at the age of 16 (or so my folks think). There also was some discrepency as to her age in that she may have married a younger man. She married Roland Henry King we think in New York City. Julia ended up working at the Waldorf Astoria Hotel in NY for many years then the St. Regis. She work in the laundry. Her father in Midleton was Patrick Foley. My father Donald William King (Julia's son) was born in Schectady, New York on 2/28/1922. Again .. thank you so much for your assistance.
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One other thing ... Julia died in Schenectady, New York August 1, 1974. Thanks again ...
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AMBLY
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Hi kingsofcary
We now have a middle initial for Julia - which may be helpful in tracing her background........
Julia M FOLEY married Roland H KING on 5 May 1916 in Manhattan.
http://www.italiangen.org/predblist.stm
1910: Waldorf Astoria Hotel, Manhattan, New York
Laundress: Julia M FOLEY 17, unm, b Ireland, parents b Ireland. Imm 1908
Because of Privacy, I won't list all the details of their children (your father and his siblings) but this is briefly the 1920 and 1930 Census:
1920: New York City, New York
Head: Roland KING 25, b -----? am, parents b NY, Occ: Schaefer? (shop)
Wife: Julia KING 24, b Ireland, imm 1909, parents b Ireland, Occ: Housemaid (Home),
Children x 2
Boarder: Robert KING 23, unm, b NY, parents b NY, Occ: Clerk (office)
(cannot read Roland Snr's POB as written in his line, and in lines of his sons - it seems to indicate the place name is Mexican.....?? ----tica. or something?)
1930: Town of Colonie, Albany, New York
Pennsylbania Avenue - Maywood
Head: May F MICHAELS 57, marr (first when age 16), b NY, NY parents, occ: Boarders "Home"
Son Relative:*: Roland H KING 35, marr, Steam Fitter, Plumbing Shop, b NY, father b NY, mother b Ireland, first married when age 21 (so abt 1916)
Children x 4
The KINGS - initially written as Son, 3 Grandsons and 1 Grandau - which has been crossed out and replaced in each case, by the word relative.
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AMBLY
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AMBLY
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Passenger List - List of Alien passengers held for Special Enquiry
1908: Ship "Adriactic", Arrived NY on 17 Apr 1908,
Julia M FOLEY age 15
Nr of Persons: 1
Ex-Manifest Q41, nr 26
Reason for being held: L P C (probably becasue of her age and travelling alone)
Looks like she was investigated, and then obviously she was admitted:
LPC - means Likely Public Charge
http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/Manifests/bsi
Trying to find her on the manifest proper.....
I wonder if she came in on a false age and possiibly different surname.......
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AMBLY
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Passenger List - List of Alien passengers held for Special Enquiry1908: Ship "Adriactic", Arrived NY on 17 Apr 1908, Julia M FOLEY age 15 Nr of Persons: 1 Ex-Manifest Q41, nr 26 Reason for being held: L P C (probably becasue of her age and travelling alone)Looks like she was investigated, and then obviously she was admitted:LPC - means Likely Public Charge http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/Manifests/bsiTrying to find her on the manifest proper..... I wonder if she came in on a false age and possiibly different surname....... Cheers AMBLY
Possibly she had no family, friends or prospects in America. Immigrants tended to require someone to vouch for them ... many Irish who had settled in America sent money home so that another member of the immediate family, or another relation, could afford the passage across the Atlantic.
Christopher
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Hi
Manifest Proper
1908: Ship "Adriactic", Departed Queenstown, Ireland - Arrived NY on 17 Apr 1908,
List 41Q, Line 26
Julia M FOLEY (looks a bit like SOLEY), 15, single, Scholar, Irish from Midleton and also born Midleton.
Nearest Relative or Contact at Home: Patrick Foley,Estate Office Midleton Cork
Passage paid for by: Aunt - Hannah McGRATH of 314, W 117 St., New York
Julia arrived with $15
Julia described as: 5'2", Fresh Complexion, black hair, blue eyes, no distinguishing marks and of Good Health.
Kingofcary , have you already heard/know of this Aunt?
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AMBLY
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kingofcary
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ok ... you folks are abolutely incredible ...  ... I'll try to summarize the replys.
1) On the manifest saying 15 that sync's with what my folks say .. also patrick as we father is right so we have the right Juia !!!!
2) Ambly ... your post indicates Patrick Foley, Estate Office, Midleton .. do u know what Estate Office means ? Also u ask me if I know of this Aunt ... just asked my folks ... and yes they use to visit her in NYC.
3) the replys say she was 15 when she arrived in 1908 .. this says she was born in 1893. My father 'seems' to think she was born 1890 as there were some discrepencies when she got social security age in her later years. SOme ld docs seemed to have dtaes crossed out and changed.
This is all amazing. I want to try and get Julia's birth certificate and all indications seems to point to Midleton, Ireland. Would you have any idea how I might get that  I guess she was either born in 1893 or 1890 depending on what is believed. Seems back then in Midleton which is not a large town it narrows things down. She was Catholic.
Also . .the web site addresses included in replies are super .. thx again
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AMBLY
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Hi Kingsofcary
I'm not personally sure of the best way to get an Irish cert..
But this is the website for the GRO - maybe others (Christopher ? ) could advise a better or cheaper way to obtain a birth certificate?
http://www.groireland.ie/faqs.htm
If they were Catholic from Midleton Cork, the church there appears to be : Church of Our Lady of the Most Holy Rosary Middleton" - a photo of it here:
http://www.oldirishimages.com/towns%20and%20villages/co%20cork/midleton/midleton%20pages/CK444.shtml
A website with photo's of Midleton headstones - some FOLEY's but appears to be more 'modern".
http://www.ginnisw.com/Ireland%20Trip%202001/Midleton%20Graves/Thumb/Thumbs8.htm
Regarding "Estate Office" - it sounds to me, that whomever was entrusted with sorting the affairs of the late Patrick Foley, saw to the Irish-end arrangements for his daughter Julia to be shipped to America - but I could be wrong - there is mention here of Midleton Estate Offices - and it does appear to be concerning probabte type issues?
http://www.nationalarchives.ie/PDF/PrivateAccessions1961-1988.pdf
Regarding Julia's age... perhaps there is something in the family 'tale" that she married a younger man - and that's why her age on the 1920 Census is 24 to his 25. I can't find her on the 1930, which would be helpful to see if she was continuing to "down" her age! Perhaps, the 1916 marriage cert from Manhattan might be your next best move - to see iwhat she says abt her age, who the witness' were and if it names her mother and her middle name in full.
Julia's SSI entry for her death in 1974, has her date of birth as 1 Jul 1891.
She arrived in NY on 17 Apr 1908, listed as a 15 yr old Scholar.
If her birth date on her SSI record is correct, it would have made her actually 16 when she arrived in April and due to turn 17 in July. Note, She was listed as a Scholar on the 1908 Manifest.
The 1910 Census was taken on 15 April 1910, almost 2 years to the day she arrived in the US.
She is listed as 17 in 1910, which is in perfect keeping with her age of 15 on arrival - ie: in 2 years, she has aged...2 years !
She was listed as 24 on the 1920 Census taken on 1 January 1920 - indicating a YOB of abt 1896.
If she was 24 and her birhday was 1 Jul, she would have been due to have a 25th birthday in July 1920. Or, if she was diowning her age a bit on that Census, perhaps she was really due to turn turn 27 or 28 in July 1920.
I wonder if we can try finding more abt Hannah McGRATH.... does Dad recognise the name Eugene McGRATH? He married a Hannah, and I think his mother was also named Hannah. and she could be the Aunt who paid Julia's passage. These McGRATH's were in Manhattan - and that is where Julia married in 1916.and where the address is that Jshe was going to in 1908.........
Cheers
AMBLY
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