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Dale
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Kia Ora
Greetings from New Zealand
My great gran emigrated to New Zealand in 1878 & I am now trying to trace her English family "forwards"! 
I have Francis Edward BURGESS marrying Caroline STRINGER 16 May 1900 at St Marks Portsea. He was a Gunner in the RMA.
In 1901 they were both living at 33 Kassassin (?) St Portsmouth. I understand this to be St James ecclesiastical district.
Francis Edward Burgess died in Epsom in 1910.
I really want to know:
1. If they had any children baptised at St Marks or St James say 1900-1910?
( This will give me a lead to ordering birth certs as I don't have any forenames)
2. I understand Portsea/Portsmouth was a strong military area - might there be any other records I could search? (I cannot find Francis on the 1891 census for example.) Any useful websites?
3. Any ideas why they might have moved to Epsom - is there another military base there?
Very appreciative of any help, thoughts, ideas or factual info!
Thanks
Marlene
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HUNTS: Fairy, Ding, Scotney, Swinton, Burgess, Brace
BEDS: Farey, Fairy, Young, Rootham, Gell, Wildman, Cooper. Deighton, Flavel.
NORTHANTS: Hills, Mobbs, Twelftrees,
DERBY: Fairey,
LONDON: Fairey, Fairy, Burgess, Williams, Tanser, Picknell, Vinall, Plampin, Mullins, Day, Folwell, Bamfield, Brown
WATFORD HERTS; Burgess, Williams
WARKS: Fairy, Ward, Stephens, Reeves, Hodgkiss, Byrne, Hunt, Edgeworth, Harper, Dudley,
WORCS: Callow, Lowe
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Wendi
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Hi Marlene!
The area they lived in in 1901 is today locally known as Milton, Portsmouth.
It is possible that the local registry office will do a 5 year either way search for children for you. This is only a possible depending upon how nicely you talk to them  and how busy they are, but as you have both parents names, I'd ask, if it was me. (on the basis of what do you have to loose!) sadly Portsea do not have an email address, but if you want to PM me, I'll call them for you.
You might like to visit the local history center, if you have not done so already at http://www.portsmouth.gov.uk/learning/1042.html
But perhaps the way forward maybe thro' his military record or have you tried that already? Sorry but I don't do acronyms when it comes to the military so please can you advise RMA ?
Wendi 
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"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it! No matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and with your own common sense" ~ Buddha SCOTT ~ Monmouthshire & Glamorgan BUCKLEY ~ Cork & Manchester FRANKLIN ~ Clerkenwell, London BRADY ~ Kildare & Manchester DERICK ~ France FRIEND ~ Kent & Portsmouth TYLDESLEY ~ Lancashire http://www.themanchesters.org________________________________________ Census information posted here is Crown Copyright, from www.nati |
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Dale
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Kia Ora Wendi
Many thanks! I will PM you as suggested. Fraid I have no idea what RMA stands for either!
Probably somehting to do with artillery I presume!
Regards
Marlene
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HUNTS: Fairy, Ding, Scotney, Swinton, Burgess, Brace
BEDS: Farey, Fairy, Young, Rootham, Gell, Wildman, Cooper. Deighton, Flavel.
NORTHANTS: Hills, Mobbs, Twelftrees,
DERBY: Fairey,
LONDON: Fairey, Fairy, Burgess, Williams, Tanser, Picknell, Vinall, Plampin, Mullins, Day, Folwell, Bamfield, Brown
WATFORD HERTS; Burgess, Williams
WARKS: Fairy, Ward, Stephens, Reeves, Hodgkiss, Byrne, Hunt, Edgeworth, Harper, Dudley,
WORCS: Callow, Lowe
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Dale
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Kia Ora Maria
Many thanks for the site - it's a goodie!
I'll have a good look today for any further clues.
Regards
Marlene
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HUNTS: Fairy, Ding, Scotney, Swinton, Burgess, Brace
BEDS: Farey, Fairy, Young, Rootham, Gell, Wildman, Cooper. Deighton, Flavel.
NORTHANTS: Hills, Mobbs, Twelftrees,
DERBY: Fairey,
LONDON: Fairey, Fairy, Burgess, Williams, Tanser, Picknell, Vinall, Plampin, Mullins, Day, Folwell, Bamfield, Brown
WATFORD HERTS; Burgess, Williams
WARKS: Fairy, Ward, Stephens, Reeves, Hodgkiss, Byrne, Hunt, Edgeworth, Harper, Dudley,
WORCS: Callow, Lowe
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millymcb
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Hi All
Being Portsmouth and a naval base I would imagine that RMA stands for Royal Marine Artillery - There's a little bit of an explanation of dates and places here....
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kv/
Milly
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McBride (Monaghan & Manchester), Derbyshire (Bollington,Cheshire), Knight (Newcastle,Staffs), Smith (Chorley, Lancashire & Ireland), Tipladay (Manchester & Yorkshire) ,Steadman (Madeley,Shropshire), Steele (Manchester & Glasgow), Parkinson (Wigan, Lancashire), Lovatt, Cornes & Turner (Staffordshire) Stott (Oldham, Lancs). All ended up in Ardwick, Manchester - in Cotton Mills, Iron Works, or running pubs and corner shops. Census informatio is Crown Copyright http://www.nationalarchives.g |
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Dale
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Kia Ora Milly
Another site to explore ! THANK YOU!
I have endless faith that someone knows the answers to my dumb quetsions! 
Cheers
Marlene
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HUNTS: Fairy, Ding, Scotney, Swinton, Burgess, Brace
BEDS: Farey, Fairy, Young, Rootham, Gell, Wildman, Cooper. Deighton, Flavel.
NORTHANTS: Hills, Mobbs, Twelftrees,
DERBY: Fairey,
LONDON: Fairey, Fairy, Burgess, Williams, Tanser, Picknell, Vinall, Plampin, Mullins, Day, Folwell, Bamfield, Brown
WATFORD HERTS; Burgess, Williams
WARKS: Fairy, Ward, Stephens, Reeves, Hodgkiss, Byrne, Hunt, Edgeworth, Harper, Dudley,
WORCS: Callow, Lowe
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Wendi
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Yes Milly either Artillery or Auxilery  but I think your right Royal Marine Artillery.
Eastney (their base at the time) is not very far from Milton.
Marlene, you may wish to make a post on The Armed Forces Board regarding him I'll look out for it.
Wendi
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"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it! No matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and with your own common sense" ~ Buddha SCOTT ~ Monmouthshire & Glamorgan BUCKLEY ~ Cork & Manchester FRANKLIN ~ Clerkenwell, London BRADY ~ Kildare & Manchester DERICK ~ France FRIEND ~ Kent & Portsmouth TYLDESLEY ~ Lancashire http://www.themanchesters.org________________________________________ Census information posted here is Crown Copyright, from www.nati |
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Dale
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Thanks Wendi & Milly. I don't know anything about his military career except what was on the Cert and the 1881 census entry when he was 14 but nothing ventured, nothing gained!
Off to give it a shot!
Regards
Marlene
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HUNTS: Fairy, Ding, Scotney, Swinton, Burgess, Brace
BEDS: Farey, Fairy, Young, Rootham, Gell, Wildman, Cooper. Deighton, Flavel.
NORTHANTS: Hills, Mobbs, Twelftrees,
DERBY: Fairey,
LONDON: Fairey, Fairy, Burgess, Williams, Tanser, Picknell, Vinall, Plampin, Mullins, Day, Folwell, Bamfield, Brown
WATFORD HERTS; Burgess, Williams
WARKS: Fairy, Ward, Stephens, Reeves, Hodgkiss, Byrne, Hunt, Edgeworth, Harper, Dudley,
WORCS: Callow, Lowe
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millymcb
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Hi Dale - I had a look in 1891 and couldn't see anything either. I see the 1901 has him as R M Artillery so I think we are safe with Royal Marine Artillery for RMA.
My guess would be that he was away in 1891 - unless there is a mistake in census or transcriptions.
Do you have the 1871 Census?
I found this one which looks like it could be him... born Pimlico 1867 but the Ancestry transcription is so bizarre you should look at the original. Is this the right family?
It gives his father as being in the military - I can't read most of what it says but did manage to work out the word Somerset. Also couldn't read his name but Ancestry have it down as Sergey which I am not convinced is right. Mother Bessy. If you know his parents names (and siblings) you could try looking for children of those names first in case they named their children after their parents etc?
1871
Francis Edward Burgess
39 Clarendon St
St George Hanover Square
RG10; Piece: 111; Folio: 98; Page: 26; GSU roll: 838765.
age 4
Born Pimlico 1867
Father Sergey?? age 38 born Downham Cambride...military of some kind - poss a Somerset regiment of some kind
Mother age 39 Bessy born Carrington? Hants (Hampshire)
Charlotte E age 8 born Canada
Elizabeth M age 6 born canada
Francis E age 4 born Pimlico, Middlesex
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McBride (Monaghan & Manchester), Derbyshire (Bollington,Cheshire), Knight (Newcastle,Staffs), Smith (Chorley, Lancashire & Ireland), Tipladay (Manchester & Yorkshire) ,Steadman (Madeley,Shropshire), Steele (Manchester & Glasgow), Parkinson (Wigan, Lancashire), Lovatt, Cornes & Turner (Staffordshire) Stott (Oldham, Lancs). All ended up in Ardwick, Manchester - in Cotton Mills, Iron Works, or running pubs and corner shops. Census informatio is Crown Copyright http://www.nationalarchives.g |
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bearkat
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I think his father's occupation was Messenger Inland Revenue Office, Somerset House.
As to his name? Could it be Tengey - very strange
Think Betsy was born in Hunts.
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Middx - Vaus, Roberts, Eversfield, Inman, Star, Holbeck, Wyatt, Bickford, Smith, Redwood
South Stoneham, Hants - Small, Hammerton, Grist, Fryer, Trodd
Beaulieu/Boldre, Hants - Woodford, Croutear, Beck, Bendell, Keeping, Harding
Kent - Bayly, Borer, Mitchell, Plane, Vernon, Farrance, Chapman, Medhurst, Lomax, Wyatt
Devon - Tope, Bickford, Foster
YKS - Quirk, McGuire, Benn
Nott/Derbs - Slack
Hert - Barnes
L'pool- Plumbe
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millymcb
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H Bearkat..
You are quite right...so clear now you say it. Definitely Inland Revenue and definitely Hunts. And very likely it does say Betsy. The Ancestry transcription is quite amazing.... Sergey is a woman and is a housekeeper. Bessy is a woman and is the wife of someone called Jane! Who is also the father of the three children.... and then there another dozen families living with them in the same house
Ah well
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McBride (Monaghan & Manchester), Derbyshire (Bollington,Cheshire), Knight (Newcastle,Staffs), Smith (Chorley, Lancashire & Ireland), Tipladay (Manchester & Yorkshire) ,Steadman (Madeley,Shropshire), Steele (Manchester & Glasgow), Parkinson (Wigan, Lancashire), Lovatt, Cornes & Turner (Staffordshire) Stott (Oldham, Lancs). All ended up in Ardwick, Manchester - in Cotton Mills, Iron Works, or running pubs and corner shops. Census informatio is Crown Copyright http://www.nationalarchives.g |
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pompeygirl1
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I used to live in Kassassin street Eastney in 1981 - 85. It is right on the doorstep of the barracks, and joins Cromwell road Eastney, I used to live there also lol 1975-79ish. The Royal Marine Barracks, although still standing has been turned into homes. As Far as I am aware the Royal Marines museum is still operating just down the road nr the seafront. St Georges road.
Regards
Sandra
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Dale
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Hi Folks
Sorry! For some reason I didn't get a notification of your messages until Sandra's note today!
Yes the 1871 took a bit of finding but it's correct!
TINGEY was his the husband's mother's surname. And he did work at Somerset House which I thought was particularly appropriate as it later became home to the New Zealand Embassy!
Betsy was born 1831 in Connington Hunts.
NOW if you're bored try finding the 2 daughters in 1891! I found them eventually!
I have all the family tracked - just trying to get those extra gems which make them human!
Sandra thank you so much for the update I might try the Museum for any additional info altho I now have his Military Record which is even more confusing because it has his wife as a Sarah not Caroline!
Still none the wiser as to whether there were any children born say 1900- 1908!
Cheers
Marlene
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HUNTS: Fairy, Ding, Scotney, Swinton, Burgess, Brace
BEDS: Farey, Fairy, Young, Rootham, Gell, Wildman, Cooper. Deighton, Flavel.
NORTHANTS: Hills, Mobbs, Twelftrees,
DERBY: Fairey,
LONDON: Fairey, Fairy, Burgess, Williams, Tanser, Picknell, Vinall, Plampin, Mullins, Day, Folwell, Bamfield, Brown
WATFORD HERTS; Burgess, Williams
WARKS: Fairy, Ward, Stephens, Reeves, Hodgkiss, Byrne, Hunt, Edgeworth, Harper, Dudley,
WORCS: Callow, Lowe
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