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Re: Help please?
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 13 May 08 20:59 BST (UK) »

Ralph is quite an unusual name for that time isnt it?
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« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 13 May 08 21:07 BST (UK) »

Someone will tell us all about the statistics for the name Ralph - as an amateur in such things I'd just say it was rarer than John and William Tongue

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Re: Help please?
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 13 May 08 21:09 BST (UK) »

Thank you so much for your help it is much appreciated. Smiley
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Re: Help please?
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 14 May 08 07:46 BST (UK) »

I searched for Martha in 1861 and uncovered one more sister for Charles! (Not sure where she is hiding on earlier - or later! - census, and I can't see her marriage either! Huh)

1861
RG9/1687 14 22 & 23
Bath ST James, Somerset
18 St James Parade

William Knight, head, 24, Brass Finisher, b. Bath
Ellen M, wife, 26, Mantle Maker, b. do.
Ellen Mary, dau, 1, b. do.
Martha J Hannay, sister in law, 17, Milliner, b. do.
Margaret Dodd, grandmother, wid, 77, b. Cheshire Chester


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« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 14 May 08 08:14 BST (UK) »

I'm having a look at the other siblings.

James is in the army in Lancashire in 1851. As far as I can tell he marries a widow, Mary Ann Langley, in 1852 and is a Police Constable at Southwark in 1861. Possible death James Ralph Hannay, age 38, in Mar 1867 Bermondsey.
Shout if you want census details (1861: RG9/330 23 39; widow & children 1871: RG10/635 122 57)

William marries a Sarah (maybe Williams). 3 children shown in 1861 (RG9/1687 35 5). Widowed by 1871 (RG10/2481 73 41) Possible death age 53 in Mar 1888, Bath
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Re: Help please?
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 14 May 08 20:35 BST (UK) »

Thank you so much - everything you find is greatfully received - I haveno living relatives left (except my own  two children) so it is nice to see where I orginated from! Smiley
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« Reply #21 on: Thursday 15 May 08 08:54 BST (UK) »

James

1851
HO107/2189 90 11
Everton, Lancashire
Salisbury Street

James Hannay, unm, 22, Private 91st Regiment, b. Somerset Bath

1861
RG9/330 22 38
Southwark St George The Martyr, Surrey
4 Peter? Street

James K? Hanney, head, 30, Police constable, b. Somersetshire Bath
Mary Ann, wife, 31, b. Cirencester Gloucestershire
Anna M, dau, 13, b. Somersetshire Bath
Ellen M, dau, 7, b. do.
Eliza Jane, dau, 2, b. Middlesex London

I suppose only the last 2 children were James'  Smiley

1871
RG10/635 122 57
St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey
(very bad image - can't read address)

Mary A Hanney, head, wid, 43, Charwoman, b. Cirencester Gloucestershire
Ellen M, dau, 18, Charwoman, b. Somerset Bath
Eliza J, dau, 12, Charwoman, b. Bermondsey Surrey
James R, son, 8, b. do.
Elizabeth, dau, 5, b. do.
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« Reply #22 on: Thursday 15 May 08 09:32 BST (UK) »

William

1861
RG9/1687 35 5
Bath St James, Somerset
12 Corn Street

Willam Hanny, head, 27, Porter, b. Bath
Sarah, wife, 28, b. Gloucester North Common
John, son, 5, scholar, b. Bath
William, son, 2, scholar, b. do.
Elizabeth E A, dau, 7 mo, b. do.

1871
RG11/2439 44 2
Bath St James, Somerset
5 St James Place

William Hanney, head, wid, 40, Labourer Gas Works, birthplace not known
William, son, 12, b. Bath
Bettie, dau, 10, b. do.

1881
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=18803401
RG11/2439 44 2
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Re: Help please?
« Reply #23 on: Thursday 15 May 08 09:38 BST (UK) »

and finally Henry ...

1861
RG9/4105 29 3
Swansea, Glamorgan
5 Willow Court

Henry Hanney, 26, Labourer, b. Bath
Sarah, wife, 23
Henry, son, 3, b. Bath
Kate, dau, 1, b. do.

1871
RG10/2482 48 32 & 33
St Michael, Somerset
4 Cornwall Row

Henry Hanney, head, 36, Porter, b. Somerset Bath
Sarah, wife, 32, Charwoman, b. do.
Henry, son, 14, Errand Boy, b. do.
Kate, dau, 11, b. do.
Charles, son, 8, b. do.
Florence, dau, 6, b. do.
Sydney, son, 3, b. do.
Frank, son, 4 mo, b. do.

He's not at home in 1881 but Sarah is shown as married:
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=18817604
RG11/2442 28 8

If this is his death:
Henry Jacob Hanney age 51 - Dec 1886 Bath 5c 417

then this is a likely marriage: Henry Jacob Hanney - Sarah Bishop Dec 1858 Swansea 11a 727 


You do have your Charles on every census I suppose?  Smiley
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Re: Help please?
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 15 May 08 19:15 BST (UK) »

Not all, I knew he was the father of my GGrandmother and that he was born in Bath - but somewhere along the line the Hannay/Hanneys became Montagues (when they changed their names I'm not sure) but all the children have middle names of Hannay and James was the first Hannay I had.
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Re: Help please?
« Reply #25 on: Thursday 15 May 08 19:21 BST (UK) »

Was your ggmother Emma M Hanney?

Charles seems to be Hanney until 1901  Huh

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Re: Help please?
« Reply #26 on: Thursday 15 May 08 19:27 BST (UK) »

No my GGrandmother was Elizabeth Sarah Montague  1886- Charles Hanney married(?) a Mary Force and Elizabeth and Frederick were his children along with quite a few others.  She was born in Southsea, Portsmouth, Hants (also known as Portsea Island)
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« Reply #27 on: Thursday 15 May 08 19:30 BST (UK) »

Well, I'm beginning to wonder if we are tracing the right people  Tongue

Where is your Elizabeth in 1891?
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Re: Help please?
« Reply #28 on: Thursday 15 May 08 19:32 BST (UK) »

Portsmouth
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« Reply #29 on: Thursday 15 May 08 19:42 BST (UK) »

Ok, as Bessie, right?

So this is the family in 1881, called Force, before Mary was widowed - husband Charles Force.
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=6587966
RG11/1150 54 28

Given Mary is widowed in 1891, she married Mr Henney or Montague between 1881 and 1891 and was widowed again, correct? 

I'm not sure he was the Charles Henney born Bath that we were tracing because I do believe he is still alive in 1901!  Huh 


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