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Greening of Tewkesbury
« on: Tuesday 13 May 08 22:13 BST (UK) »
Hi
I am hoping that someone might be able to find the birth of my great grampy Thomas Henry Greening born c.1894. I have searched the indexes and have been unable to find his birth. According to my mother who used to live with her grandparents Thomas was born in Tewkesbury.

The closest I have come is finding a Tom (Q3 1895) born in Tewkesbury at a similar time but I know this is not him because I ordered the birth certificate and his father was Jesse and he died shortly after.

According to Thomas Henry's marriage certifcate his father was John Greening a farm labourer.

I have found him on the 1901 census as Tom with Chris as a brother, I think possibly the person that my mum used to call Aunt Chrissie is Chris and there has been a mistake in registering him as a boy, and father John. RG13/2467/53 page 54.

As I cannot find any more details on him other than his marriage certificate Nov 1915 Newport to Florence Merrett I thought I would buy the marriage certificate of Chris (Christina) Greening (Aug 1916) to see if there were any details that were the same. Chris' certificate says that John was her  father and a general labourer, which I felt did not really give much away, John being quite a frequent name. Then I noticed that Christina 's witnesses were Charles John Greening and Ada Margaret Greening and Thomas Henry's witnesses were C.J. Greening and A. M. Greening.

Any help in finding Thomas Henry's birth details would be great or even more information on the most probable parents John and Elizabeth Greening would be fantastic. This has puzzled me for ages I hired a researcher from Gloucestershire with no luck and have been in touch with Thomas' Gloucestershire regiment with not much luck. The only information that they could find on the Thomas Henry they had details of was one in Tuffley.

I am totally stuck.

Paula
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Re: Greening of Tewkesbury
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 13 May 08 22:52 BST (UK) »
The witnesses possible marriage.

Dec 1914 Cheltenham 6a/1000
Charles J Greening and one of the possible spouses is Ada M Fennell.

I don't know if this would be any help.
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Re: Greening of Tewkesbury
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 13 May 08 22:55 BST (UK) »
Birth June 1890 Cheltenham 6a/414
Charles John Greening
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Re: Greening of Tewkesbury
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 13 May 08 23:03 BST (UK) »
Possible for Charles 1891 
RG12/2047/12/18  - 28 Harkerly (?) st, Cheltenham.

John Greening 27, carman, b STroud
Mary 30 b Somerset
Charles 11 mths b Cheltenham

Just trying to find a link.
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Re: Greening of Tewkesbury
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 13 May 08 23:08 BST (UK) »
No - Charles is with the family in Bristol in 1901 with not a Thomas or Henry in sight. 
RG13/2389/44/15
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Re: Greening of Tewkesbury
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 14 May 08 08:52 BST (UK) »
Hi Paula

Here's Christina's birth

Birth

Sep 1897 Tewkesbury 6a 441

Christina Rose GREENING

Looking around ...
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SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN
HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD
GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS
WIL: WEBB, SALTER
RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS
GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY
MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD
SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON
IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY, BOYLE (DUNDALK)
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Re: Greening of Tewkesbury
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 14 May 08 09:39 BST (UK) »
I can't see the birth of older brother John (or is it Job?), which should be in Newport in c 1890 either.

Possible marriage


Jun 1883 Winchcomb 6a 617

John GREENING
Elizabeth Sarah A WILLIAMS

No evidence for this, other than it is about the right time.  Christina's birth cert would give her mother's maiden name, which might help.


In 1891 there is a family with Jesse and Elizabeth GREENING but in 1901 Elizabeth is a widow.  Her children include a John of about the same age as yours (yours is aged 10 in 1901, the other is 12), which is muddling!
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SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN
HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD
GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS
WIL: WEBB, SALTER
RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS
GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY
MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD
SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON
IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY, BOYLE (DUNDALK)
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Re: Greening of Tewkesbury
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 14 May 08 10:17 BST (UK) »
I think John is the son of a Hannah, seen in Ansell's Alley (same address as John in 1901) in the 1881 census.  They are enumerated there as GRAINGER.  John's brothers are Jessie (sic) and Richard, the latter seen in Monmouthshire in 1891.
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SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN
HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD
GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS
WIL: WEBB, SALTER
RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS
GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY
MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD
SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON
IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY, BOYLE (DUNDALK)
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Re: Greening of Tewkesbury
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 14 May 08 10:20 BST (UK) »
Hi all,

Possible red herring but 1891 shows an unmarried John Green age 25 born Tewkesbury lodging in Newport St Woollos RG12/4374 36 17
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Re: Greening of Tewkesbury
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 14 May 08 10:21 BST (UK) »
I agree that is a strong candidate Tati.

Was hoping that son John would be to the fore & am concerned that he was born before marriage & therefore harder to trace!  I wonder whether Thomas was too?
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SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN
HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD
GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS
WIL: WEBB, SALTER
RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS
GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY
MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD
SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON
IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY, BOYLE (DUNDALK)
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Re: Greening of Tewkesbury
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 14 May 08 13:15 BST (UK) »
Hi to you all

Thanks very much for your help, it is very much appreciated. Thomas Henry is proving very difficult to trace, the sad thing is his son is still alive but does not want to talk about his family.

Anyway the marriage that you found for John and Elizabeth is not right I am afraid. I sent off for the marriage certificate and got an email back this week to say they could not produce a certificate for these two because although they appear on the same page they are not married to each other!

The witnesses that you have found seem to match up name wise but I cannot find any other connection.

I could not find the older brother John's birth either.

The John Green in Newport looks hopeful though. The son John according to the census should have been born around that time in Newport and I know there have always been connections with Wales that is why my Great Grampy, Thomas Henry, married in Wales and their first born, my Nan was called Blodwen even though she was born in Gloucester.

Thinking about the idea that Thomas and his brother were born out of wedlock, I might get Christina's birth certifcate for the mothers name and then look up the boys in the mothers name. It might be worth a try. I have got nothing to lose I have been trying to find Thomas Henry for so long, asking elderly relatives questions, hiring help by way of a researcher and the Gloucestershire Regiment in which he served and no body has any answers, so this might be the best hope.

Thanks again for the help

Paula
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Re: Greening of Tewkesbury
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 14 May 08 13:25 BST (UK) »
Hi Paula

I kept looking but nothing more helpful to report.

Just to add - Elizabeth might have made a second marriage, so the boys might have been born to the first marraige & not necessarily illegitimately - shame Thomas wasn't born before the 1891 census, which would make it easier to spot them!

I suppose you don't know of any older children?

I wonder whether there are descendants of Priscilla around who might be able to help?

Kind regards, Arranroots  Wink
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SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN
HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD
GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS
WIL: WEBB, SALTER
RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS
GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY
MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD
SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON
IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY, BOYLE (DUNDALK)
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Re: Greening of Tewkesbury
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 14 May 08 15:05 BST (UK) »
Hi

Gloucestershire Family History Society has Cheltenham Registration District Birth Index 1837-1960, which includes Tewkesbury area, and the marriage index 1837-2004.

www.gfhs.org.uk

For some indexes, if contacted by e-mail, they will carry out a free search, for others there's a charge.

Regards

Susan  Smiley
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