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1861 & 1871 Censuses - SHELDRAKE
« on: Wednesday 14 May 08 14:59 BST (UK) »
I have tried to find this family but to no avail.   Huh
Joshua Sheldrake, born about 1831 Hemingstone, Suffolk, married Juliana in January 1852 at Hatfield.  She was born 1832 Hatfield.  As far as I know they had 2 girls, Susannah bp March 1852 an Mary Ann bp March 1857.  I have not found any deaths between 1857 & 1881.  In 1881 I found Susannah, housemaid in Chelsea.
Joshua's parents were Richard and Susanna who I found in all the censuses from 1841-1891.  In one census their surname was given as Sheldrick.
Any help appreciated.  Smiley
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Re: 1861 & 1871 censuses - Sheldrake
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 14 May 08 15:31 BST (UK) »
Hi Delta,

Long shot but who knows ...

1861
RG9/1014 116 1
Luton, Bedfordshire
1 Mount Pleasant
John Harvey, head, 30, General Labourer, b. Suffolk
Julia, wife, 29, b. Row Green Herts
Sussannah, dau, 9, scholar, b. Hatfield Herts.
Sarah*, dau, 7, scholar, b. do.
Lizzy, dau, 2, b. Luton Beds
Sarah Lamb, lodger, unm, 20, Straw Broom? Sewer?, b. do.

This is the only likely Julia I can see on census. I would be happier if I could find their marriage and Joshua's death but I can't  Tongue

*There is a 1854 birth in Hatfield for a Sarah Sheldrake
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Re: 1861 & 1871 censuses - Sheldrake
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 14 May 08 15:47 BST (UK) »
Marriage Jan/Feb/MAr 1852
Joshua Shledrake

Julia Mardling is likely bride.
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Re: 1861 & 1871 censuses - Sheldrake
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 14 May 08 15:49 BST (UK) »
Hi Liz!  Cheesy

Can you find the Julia / John Harvey marriage too? Tongue  Tongue
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« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 14 May 08 15:51 BST (UK) »
Hi!

Am working on it as we speak....
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Re: 1861 & 1871 censuses - Sheldrake
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 14 May 08 15:54 BST (UK) »
Hmmmm

Jul/Aug/sep 1861 (after census....?)

marriage John Harvey
Luton reg distr
3b 629

2 grooms on page, only one bride. Jsut off to Full indexes to see if there is a Julia Sheldrake around in that quarter.... bbacksoon
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« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 14 May 08 15:57 BST (UK) »
Bother - no there isnt!
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« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 14 May 08 15:59 BST (UK) »
Oops - maybe I should have told you I'd tried it before  Lips Sealed Grin
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« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 14 May 08 16:06 BST (UK) »
Not to worry! If two of us looked and couldnt find it is better than no one looking at all.

Like you, I would like to find the marriage n Joshua's death to get it to all gel a bit better. Tho' it certainly looks like them ( I found that Sarah birth too)
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« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 14 May 08 16:11 BST (UK) »
1871
RG10 1573 69 4
29 Burr Str
John Harvey 39 Bricklayers Lab bn Suffolk
Julia 39 bn Hatfield
Susannah 19 bn Hatfield
Lizzie 12 bn Luton
Alice 7   "
Arthur 4   "
Alice Moore 15 visitor
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« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 14 May 08 16:15 BST (UK) »
Birth
Ap/May/Jun 1859
Luton reg distr
Lizzy Harvey

so it looks like she was from the Harvey marriage rather than the Sheldrake one.
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Re: 1861 & 1871 censuses - Sheldrake
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 14 May 08 20:46 BST (UK) »
My thanks to both of you for all your hard work.
I agree that it could well be that Joshua died and Julia remarried John Harvey.  She was Julianna Mardling, born Roe Green, Hatfield, bp 5.2.1832 and she married Joshua Sheldrake 4.1.1852.  Susannah was bp 28.3.1852.
Next time I get a chance to visit the Archives office in Hertford I'll have a look through the Hatfield parish records to see if I can find a death and possibly a marriage between John Harvey and Julianna.  As you say, there doesn't seem to be anything on the bmd site.
It strikes me as a very strange coincidence that John Harvey also came from Hemminstone (as did Joshua).   
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Re: 1861 & 1871 censuses - Sheldrake
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 15 May 08 08:39 BST (UK) »
So are we thinking John Harvey and Joshua Sheldrake are one and the same person? I must say I can't see a matching John Harvey on earlier census!   
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Re: 1861 & 1871 censuses - Sheldrake
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 15 May 08 09:33 BST (UK) »
Hello Tati
Yes, I was beginning to wonder if they could be one and the same, but why would he change both his first and surnames?  Incidentally, I've just realised that Joshua's mother's maiden name was Harvey!  The plot thickens.
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Re: 1861 & 1871 censuses - Sheldrake
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 15 May 08 09:58 BST (UK) »
Oh, that's interesting! Were his parents married before he was born?
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