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bettyespana
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good morning betty...as previously posted...on cheshire bmd.. the only possible birth for thomas bunting is thomas bunting b 1841 Stockport second ST2/4/98........you will have to purchase this birth certificate(£7) to find the father and mother of Thomas...this will confirm Abraham and give you a better insight to Abraham and his ancestors....good luck...allan 
Hello allan,
Thank you for this,as far as purchasing the cert is concerned this is a no,no.
Reason being- I live in Spain where our postal system is to be polite, rubbish.I cannot afford to send for anymore certs that never arrive or get lost in transit.
Regards
Betty
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JenB
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Does it say who was there,I am wondering if there was any connection with either the bride or grooms family or even the witnesses.
RG 9/ 2941/ Folio 97/ Page 32/ Schedule 184
15, Newberry Street, Manchester
John Morton (or possibly Martin), head, m, 50, fustian cutter, Yorkshire Tunstal
Venus do, wife, do, 49, do, Lancashire, Manchester
Richard Carter, boarder, m, 36, labourer, do do
Sarah do, do, do, 30, Piecer, do do
Ann do, do, - , 7, - , do do
Samuel Heywood, do, m, 30, laborer, do do
Harriet do, do, do, 32, - , do do
James do, do, - , 10, - , do do
Ann do, do, - , 6, - , do do
John do, do, - , 3, - , do do
Amos do, do, -, 1, - , do do
Jennifer
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bettyespana
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Does it say who was there,I am wondering if there was any connection with either the bride or grooms family or even the witnesses.
RG 9/ 2941/ Folio 97/ Page 32/ Schedule 184 15, Newberry Street, Manchester John Morton (or possibly Martin), head, m, 50, fustian cutter, Yorkshire Tunstal Venus do, wife, do, 49, do, Lancashire, Manchester Richard Carter, boarder, m, 36, labourer, do do Sarah do, do, do, 30, Piecer, do do Ann do, do, - , 7, - , do do Samuel Heywood, do, m, 30, laborer, do do Harriet do, do, do, 32, - , do do James do, do, - , 10, - , do do Ann do, do, - , 6, - , do do John do, do, - , 3, - , do do Amos do, do, -, 1, - , do do Jennifer
Hi Jennifer,
Thanks for the info,so there are 2 families lodging with the Mortons/Martins.
The nearest I have to that name is Mary Moran who was one of the witnesses of the marriage.
Regards
Betty
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EAP
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Dear Betty,
As usual, I am not quite able to provide the information the requester is looking for  . But I know something slightly related to the same topic 
My gt-gt-grandparents were married at Manchester Cathedral in 1854. They both gave their place of residence as 12, Newbery Street. (Yes, only 1 'r', but I have decided it was a spelling mistake.) Both seem to have lived in Salford for many years, and he was also born in Salford, so I do not know for how long they lived in Newberry Street, Manchester. Newberry Street no longer exists.
At <www.historical directories.org> I looked in "1821 - 22 Pigot and Dean's Directory for Manchester, Salford, etc" and found a large number of tradespeople and businesses in Newberry Street and Back Newberry Street (with 2 'r's.)
I then looked at the page in the directory showing "a list of Streets, Lanes and Passages, with a reference to their situation" I found:
Back Newbery Street. Watson Street.
Which told me that Newberry Street and the lanes along the back went off Watson Street.
I have looked on the Genmaps rootsweb old map site.
<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~genmaps/genfiles/COU_Pages/ENG_pages/lan.htm>
It does not show Newbery Street, but Watson Street is there, and is still on the modern street map. It is very near St Peter's Church. In St Peter's Fields the Peterloo massacre took place in 1817(?). On the rootsweb map site there is a map of the site of the Peterloo massacre, showing all this.
If you search around on the internet, you will find that Newberry Street must have been in or very near the area of housing that was pulled down so that the Midland Railway Station could be built. This station is now closed. It is now an exhibition centre called G-Mex, which you can also find out about if you search on Google.
By the way, a lady I once met in the Manchester Central Library when I was researching, told me that Newberry Street was a rough area, where policemen patrolled in pairs. She also said many of those who married at the Cathedral did not live in Manchester, they just stopped overnight and claimed to live there, because they wanted a Cathedral marriage. After a good night out in the Watson Street area they would roll into the Cathedral to get married, and there were often rowdy scenes, while the happy couples sobered up a bit  .
I was fascinated to learn all this. It cast a sidelight on my ancestors for me. Of course, I am sure yours were much better behaved 
Best wishes,
Edwina
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bettyespana
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Hello EAP,
My husbands Gt Grandparents were married at St Mary's Catholic Chapel 1861.
I know where the G-Mex Centre is,as I am a former Mancunian & have in fact visited exhibitions there in the past.
We think the reason they married there is probably because the bride was Irish & more then likely Catholic.
I have just re-checked the marriage cert & it states that Thomas Bunting lived at 13 Newberry St,Watson St Manchester & Margaret Connor lived at 15 Newberry St Manchester.
The print is not very clear & I originally thought it said Newberry St,Water St Manchester.
Now your message has made it clearer.
Sad story for this couple really as Thomas died 6yrs after the marriage age 26 from apoplexy,& left not only a wife but two young children age 4 & 5yrs
Thank you for your message
Kind regards
Betty
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EAP
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Hello again Betty,
I have just re-read your postings, and I can understand how frustrated you must be. Through your husband's grandmother you are SO close to knowing the details you need, but just not quite enough.
As I understand it, you do not yet have a death for Abraham. You did not say whether the bride and groom thought he was dead or not in 1861. I've just done a quick freeBMD search, and the first death of an Abraham BUNTING seems to be this one:
Deaths September quarter 1864
Bunting Abraham; Sheffield; vol 9c; page 200.
Perhaps you have already ruled this one out, I do not know. Otherwise, could a little census detective work in the Sheffield area pay off, do you think?
Just a thought.
Bye for now.
Best wishes,
Edwina
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bettyespana
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Hello Edwina(what a lovely name)
It does not say deceased on the marriage cert & yes I also came across this one in Sheffield.
I did rule him out because he was not a Joiner by trade as described on the cert.
I must also say that Rootschat is not the only source I have tried with this one.All to no avail.
My conclusion at the moment is that possibly when this certificate was being filled in someone must have been making things up or telling porkies.Incorrect name/incorrect occupation etc.
According to the census Thomas was supposed to be born in Stockport but even this has a cloud hanging over it.
This would not be the first time as I have learnt over the years of trying to build my tree.
Kind Regards
Betty
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Liverpool,Wigan & Southport - Ball,Taylor
Cheshire - Dickenson
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EAP
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Well, all the best then Betty. I'll just wish you luck with your tricky task, while I go and bump my head again against some of my own brick walls...
Best wishes,
Edwina
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