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acookey
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Can anyone date this photo from the clothes she is wearing. The photo is of my gggrandmother Katherine Pasley. She looks quite young, but it is possible her husband died early, so I wondered whether those were mourning clothes from about the 1840s.
Annette
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Cooke, Aust. England
Russell, Aust. Enland
McMinn, Ireland
Gee, Ireland
Crump, London
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Seage, Ireland
Smith, Aust.
Dore, Ireland
Pasley, Ireland
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chinakay
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Hello Annette....what a fabulous, fabulous old photo! It's truly a fine specimen!
It seems to me to be an ambrotype, a photo devoped directly onto glass. It's in a decorative and protective case, and the whole thing looks in very good condition. Ambrotypes were produced from about 1855 to 1865, so there's a good clue for a date.
The clothing and hair style fit well with this timeframe also. Being a black & white photo it's hard to tell if she is wearing mourning, but she could well be. I would guess it may be a later stage of mourning, as she is showing some lighter coloured trim and lace, and the ties on her bonnet are lighter as well.
As for the 1840s...commercial photography didn't start until I think 1849, so that would be a bit early.
You may have other opinions on whether it's mourning clothing, and I hope you get some nice restores on the photo...it doesn't need much but our restorers love to play with beautiful photos like this one.
Cheers,
China
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Hi Annette 
Everything China has said is spot on, except to say that ambrotypes were not invented until the mid 1850s, so if this is an ambrotype then it would be no earlier than that.
It is a beautiful photo in wonderful condition
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BALFOUR (Derry) BIGG (Kent) BONSALL (DBY, NTT, CHS) BRISBANE (Fife) DANKS (STS) DOBSON (BRK) FRANCIS (ESS) GOODE (HAM) HAYNES (Cork) INGRAM (MDX, SOM) LANGWORTHY (Jersey, DEV) MCKAY (Fife, Aberdeen, Banff, Moray, Inverness) MORRISH (LND) NANCARROW (CON) OGILVIE (Moray, LND) STRATHDEE (Banff) SWAN (Fife) WOOD (LND)
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acookey
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Thank you all for your input. Much appreciated.
Annette
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Cooke, Aust. England
Russell, Aust. Enland
McMinn, Ireland
Gee, Ireland
Crump, London
Bowen (Bohan), Ireland
Seage, Ireland
Smith, Aust.
Dore, Ireland
Pasley, Ireland
Simmonds, England
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Lones
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What is she holding? At first I took it to be an umbrella, but now I don't think so......
Hi China, It's either an umbrella and a short stick, or some kind of wierd deflated bagpipes!!  
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It is beautiful, isn't it?
What is she holding? At first I took it to be an umbrella, but now I don't think so......
Cheers,
Chia
Tis a wonderful picture.
I think the lady is holding a parasol with a folding handle 
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acookey
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Hi all
Yes when I blew it up on high resolution it is definitely an umbrella or parasol with a folding handle.
This is my gggrandmother, Katherine Pasley, Ireland. She was married to Rev William Pasley, and family history has that she was a Countess before she married? ?
I have another photo that is not quite as sharp. Both of these are scans from my sister. The first one was a photo of the original, and this one is a scan of the original. Do you think it is the same person? I have done a little tweaking as it was very faded. It certainly looks like as if it was probably the same process as the first.
Annette
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Cooke, Aust. England
Russell, Aust. Enland
McMinn, Ireland
Gee, Ireland
Crump, London
Bowen (Bohan), Ireland
Seage, Ireland
Smith, Aust.
Dore, Ireland
Pasley, Ireland
Simmonds, England
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Hi Annette,
You are a doubly lucky thing, having two such gorgeous pictures in your family!
I would think the second photo was taken around the mid 1850s, which is what I was also thinking for the first one (but that one might still be a little later). I don't think they're the same lady though, just can't see enough detail in the face of the first lady to be certain.
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I live in NSW, and am researching:
BALFOUR (Derry) BIGG (Kent) BONSALL (DBY, NTT, CHS) BRISBANE (Fife) DANKS (STS) DOBSON (BRK) FRANCIS (ESS) GOODE (HAM) HAYNES (Cork) INGRAM (MDX, SOM) LANGWORTHY (Jersey, DEV) MCKAY (Fife, Aberdeen, Banff, Moray, Inverness) MORRISH (LND) NANCARROW (CON) OGILVIE (Moray, LND) STRATHDEE (Banff) SWAN (Fife) WOOD (LND)
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...on second thoughts there is quite a similarity between them when you view the faces side by side. If they are the same person, though, there's probably only a maximum of 10 years between the second picture and the first picture being taken, and she seems to have aged a great deal in that time
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I live in NSW, and am researching:
BALFOUR (Derry) BIGG (Kent) BONSALL (DBY, NTT, CHS) BRISBANE (Fife) DANKS (STS) DOBSON (BRK) FRANCIS (ESS) GOODE (HAM) HAYNES (Cork) INGRAM (MDX, SOM) LANGWORTHY (Jersey, DEV) MCKAY (Fife, Aberdeen, Banff, Moray, Inverness) MORRISH (LND) NANCARROW (CON) OGILVIE (Moray, LND) STRATHDEE (Banff) SWAN (Fife) WOOD (LND)
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acookey
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Hullo all
When I saw the first picture, I though she had her eyes shut, and wondered if she was blind. But when I blew it up, I could see they were half closed, just like the person in the second picture. She may have had a sight problem. It is that that makes me think they are the same person.
Thanks, any other opinions, gratefully received.
Annette
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Cooke, Aust. England
Russell, Aust. Enland
McMinn, Ireland
Gee, Ireland
Crump, London
Bowen (Bohan), Ireland
Seage, Ireland
Smith, Aust.
Dore, Ireland
Pasley, Ireland
Simmonds, England
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