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Military Emigrants to Canada
« on: Thursday 15 May 08 16:21 BST (UK) »

Hello!

I am trying to research my 4xgr grandfather Jethro Robins, born in England and emigrated to canada around 1832. Sometime around 1832/33  he settled in Simcoe County,Ontario on a land grant. From land grant information I have he was in the Royal marines for 21 years. I have not been able to locate him and his family in passenger records, and am wondering if he would have come over on a military ship? Any idea where the ships would have arrived? We know that he was in Beaminister Dorest 1831, but am not sure where he would have left from. I have heard that he didn't settle in Simoce right away.
Any idea's out there?
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JETHRO ROBINS B. 1790 MARRIED ELLEN PELLEW B. 1808 IN PLUMSTEAD ENGLAND.
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Re: Military Emigrants to Canada
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 15 May 08 17:10 BST (UK) »

Hi there,

Have you tried www.olivetreegenealogy.com

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Gandley (but known as Stanley in Canada)- Ireland to Birmingham
Ball, Kempson & Franklin - Birmingham
Shorter - Surrey
Dyer - Devon
Dawkins - Co. Cork, Ireland
Heffernan - Ireland
Huck - Alsace, France
Reinhart - Baden, Germany
Bowman & Ellis - England
Etheridge - Glouchester

Who all came to Canada in a little row boat, clap clap, clap your hands!!
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« Reply #2 on: Thursday 15 May 08 17:13 BST (UK) »

Do you live in Ontario?

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Gandley (but known as Stanley in Canada)- Ireland to Birmingham
Ball, Kempson & Franklin - Birmingham
Shorter - Surrey
Dyer - Devon
Dawkins - Co. Cork, Ireland
Heffernan - Ireland
Huck - Alsace, France
Reinhart - Baden, Germany
Bowman & Ellis - England
Etheridge - Glouchester

Who all came to Canada in a little row boat, clap clap, clap your hands!!
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Re: Military Emigrants to Canada
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 15 May 08 17:15 BST (UK) »

Hi, I do live in Ontario and I have looked on Olivetree.
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« Reply #4 on: Thursday 15 May 08 17:25 BST (UK) »

Ah, ok.  I live in Simcoe County  Smiley

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Gandley (but known as Stanley in Canada)- Ireland to Birmingham
Ball, Kempson & Franklin - Birmingham
Shorter - Surrey
Dyer - Devon
Dawkins - Co. Cork, Ireland
Heffernan - Ireland
Huck - Alsace, France
Reinhart - Baden, Germany
Bowman & Ellis - England
Etheridge - Glouchester

Who all came to Canada in a little row boat, clap clap, clap your hands!!
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« Reply #5 on: Thursday 15 May 08 17:37 BST (UK) »

My family is all from Simcoe, mostly Medonte.  Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: Thursday 15 May 08 17:41 BST (UK) »

Does the library have any books on him?  I've seen some that have great detail on a person including when and how they came to Canada.

Have you tried to get his military record from England? 

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Gandley (but known as Stanley in Canada)- Ireland to Birmingham
Ball, Kempson & Franklin - Birmingham
Shorter - Surrey
Dyer - Devon
Dawkins - Co. Cork, Ireland
Heffernan - Ireland
Huck - Alsace, France
Reinhart - Baden, Germany
Bowman & Ellis - England
Etheridge - Glouchester

Who all came to Canada in a little row boat, clap clap, clap your hands!!
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Re: Military Emigrants to Canada
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 15 May 08 18:07 BST (UK) »

There are no real good books on him, there are a few books on the people of medonte but the Robins area is full of mistakes,.
I have had some research done in England on him, and have come up with his marriage registration and the baptisms of his first 2 children. The archives in england may have info on him with regards to military, but we will hve to get a researcher to undertake it for us. We will proberly have to have it done if we ever want to find out his birth, and military career.
I see that you have Ball listed under your family names, are they from simcoe? We have lots of Balls married to the robins.
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« Reply #8 on: Saturday 17 May 08 23:52 BST (UK) »

This might be a clue as to his first location
http://www.geocities.com/maritree/Pender.htm
1832 proximity of Malahide, Ontario
   
page 140: In the summer of 1832, large numbers of discharged soldiers were sent out by the British government to settle in Canada. A considerable body of these was placed in the township of Adelaide. At or about the same time came a number of retired officers, clergymen and other gentlemen with their families from Ireland who settled in the same locality.  (Adelaide northwest of Malahide)
 


Book, “The Talbot Regime, or the First Half Century of the Talbot Settlement”, Ermatinger, Canadiana Global Heritage Press. ISBN 1-894378-11-3

 
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« Reply #9 on: Sunday 18 May 08 00:00 BST (UK) »

The Navy list might help you with some information, re: date of discharge and such...
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=287&j=1
http://www.nmm.ac.uk/server/show/conWebDoc.559
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« Reply #10 on: Sunday 18 May 08 00:14 BST (UK) »

Thank you so much for the links and information, I will looking into it!
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Re: Military Emigrants to Canada
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 18 May 08 00:18 BST (UK) »

For those wondering why I would refer to a Naval man as "discharged soldier"
This was how Jethro Robins Land records referred to him... Cheesy J.J.
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Just looked again and it seems you need to tell THEM some information first...anyway, here is some basic information...Do you know if he was an officer? as there are 2 ways to search....but seems they have signup/attestation papers and sometimes a history of service...
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/militaryhistory/marines/default.htm?homepage=mh-marines

and here is some advice from Fawne!  Grin
http://globalgenealogy.com/globalgazette/gazfd/gazfd48.htm
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« Reply #12 on: Sunday 18 May 08 05:41 BST (UK) »

 Roll Eyes wow, conflicting information on the LDS site, huh? Odd that people insist on
adding information that seems to be out of their heads...why bother?
The one researcher seems to be close with some of the family's names and
dates.... although Elizabeth Jane was born once, then again ten years but did
manage to die at the same time Lips Sealed
As you say, William the last born in England ( 1831 ) does seem to confirm your
1832 immigration date
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census/ViewFrame.jsp?id=103466&highlight=29

OVSP has his information right http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~onvsr/death/deathindex_rj-rz_new.htm
ROBINS, William  / September 28, 1914 / 83 years 3 months 3 days / England
born England / cause pneumonia / farmer, s/o Jethro Robins & Ellen Perloo  Cheesy infm – Harriett  Robins,  Fesserton, Tay Twp (Simcoe Co.) 028717-14

re: above...Family search labs has his death all wrong, as he is only 19 years old?
Wonder if you are allowed to submit corrections? http://labs.familysearch.org/
Ellen's & James's death are on there with perhaps more accurate dates...
( Ellen listed again as Perloo  .. James father- Jeribo Robins  Tongue )
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« Reply #13 on: Sunday 18 May 08 05:59 BST (UK) »

Robert's information on the 1901 - he seemed to think they immigrated in 1835...
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census/ViewFrame.jsp?id=102864&highlight=32

Can't find anything on the Fanny listed ( with husband as George Waples)  to see what date she says they entered Canada...Also couldn't find anything from a Samuel Robins....were these known children of your ancestor?
What did Elizabeth Jane Ball say for an immigration date on the 1901?
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« Reply #14 on: Sunday 18 May 08 13:27 BST (UK) »

Hi,
Thanks for all the different links to look into. I have looked into the National Archives in England, I cant find anything on line, and I did contact them and they said I would have to undertake a researcher or have them undertake it for me. It could be very expensive if they don't find anything!. The Archives charges 15 pound per 15 minutes!
There really is alot of miss informtaion on LDS, thats been so frustration, and then Yorkshire has not been transcribe very well do to lack of people to undertake transcribing.
We have no proof that George,Samuel and Francis are Jethro's kids, We have always had two last names for his Wife Ellen (Pellew(also seen as perloo) and Perronette.) It is now thought that maybe Perronette was a first wife and these were their kids. But I have found nothing to support this. Ellen Pellew and Jethro were married in 1827 in Plumsted Kent (I have the marriage registar) and this is the earliest info I have on Jethro or Ellen. The only way we know that he was in the Marines was from a letter he wrote after having his property for 3 years requesting for a new piece of land as he could not farm the other land. In the letter it states he had 21 years in the Royal marines. Unfortunitly that is all we know on him in the Marines!
Eliza. Jane died in 1894, so looking in the 1901 C is out!, Yes Wm died in 1914..The Harriet listed is his second Wife. His first wife Elizabeth died in 1887. Wm and Eliza are another brick wall we have. We can't find their marriage or confirm Elizabeths last name or her family!!

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