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« Reply #30 on: Friday 16 May 08 17:11 BST (UK) »

We know Robert seniors dad was a Thomas as he's on the marriage cert  Wink

No reply from Durham yet for Robert Jr II's birth cert  Sad
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« Reply #31 on: Friday 16 May 08 17:13 BST (UK) »

This is the description of Banksman
Banksman / Bank Manager / Browman  In charge of the cages at mine pitheads - sometimes known as a Bank Manager

I knew it had some connection with mining.

What we have got to remember is that Robert in 1841 was literate enough to be a census enumerator, now what education was available in Durham  in the early nineteenth century for the children of mine employees?
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« Reply #32 on: Friday 16 May 08 17:14 BST (UK) »

Good point Jaywit  Smiley 
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« Reply #33 on: Friday 16 May 08 17:24 BST (UK) »

The Robert Turnbull born 1817 in Sunderland that deb found with parents Thomas and Ann is on the 1851 census, born S'land 1817  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #34 on: Friday 16 May 08 17:30 BST (UK) »

Robert seems pretty consistent with his DOB 1815...does the other bapt of Robert (Oct 1816) s/o Thomas T and Margaret Drury, tell us how old he was.?

The Robert b Sunderland , 1815 was s/o William T and Margaret
Robert b 1815, Wickham was s/o Thomas T and Ann Johnson (Whickham = Gateshead RD)

can you believe this ..I have Jake home from school with headache , Now Kate has called from School with headache ......wonder if they planned it ?  Grin It's a conspiracy!!!! Roll Eyes Grin

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« Reply #35 on: Friday 16 May 08 17:40 BST (UK) »

poor you deb  Sad

Ok I thought you'd found the one I saw on the IGI Thomas and Ann with son Robert

Whickham Robert is also on the 1851 b. 1815 gateshead

here's a link
unless banksman was a decent position it's looking more unlikely that he's the son of a miner

http://www.durham.gov.uk/miner/projects.nsf/0/197c3a2e16c5ea1280256d5d00329557?OpenDocument

back soon  Cheesy
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« Reply #36 on: Friday 16 May 08 18:27 BST (UK) »

From what I remember from mining where I live a Banksman was a step up from the ordinary miner, but in Durham at that time I just don't know whether his father would have been in a position to have afforded for him to be at school rather than down the mine from the age of 7/8. Maybe you could contact someone from the Durham Mining Museum for their opinion.
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« Reply #37 on: Friday 16 May 08 18:32 BST (UK) »

Here are the Durham Mining Museum definitions of Banksman. http://www.dmm.org.uk/educate/mineocc.htm#b
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« Reply #38 on: Friday 16 May 08 18:36 BST (UK) »

Hi Back

Just read the link from madpants .... those poor kids  Cry Cry Cry Cry

need to catch up with the posts ...

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« Reply #39 on: Friday 16 May 08 18:58 BST (UK) »

Just a thought

Did Robert snr ever use Drury as his middle name ...or even put a 'D" in his name ... I am thinking that he should have/may have somewhere . Maybe we should follow the possible Sibs of Robert snr ... see if they provide clues

I'm also thinking that if he was the enumerator he may have added Drury to his name , if he was s/o Thomas and Margaret Drury  Undecided

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« Reply #40 on: Friday 16 May 08 19:06 BST (UK) »

 Cheesy Some families took in Boarders/Lodgers that were school teachers.
Those people sometimes gave the children tuition.

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« Reply #41 on: Friday 16 May 08 19:19 BST (UK) »

1871 there's one, 3 doors along from Edward Lurnbull.  Smiley
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« Reply #42 on: Friday 16 May 08 20:33 BST (UK) »

another thought ... Robert was  b 1815...supposedly Thomas T and Margaret Drury had other children who were older than Robert ...so was Robert the only one with the Drury middle name? Surely the older brothers would have it too.

Here's the Turnbull Drury link

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 Robert Drury Turnbull 6 Oct 1816 s/o Thomas Turnbull and Margaret Drury of Burnmoor, occupation Banksman

 Mary born 3 June 1810 baptised 15 July 1810 4th daughter [it might be 4th child a daughter] of Thomas Turnbull, bankman, native of Washington parish by his wife Margaret Drury, native of Washington Parish.

Catherine 1796(residing Wharton's Row), William 1799 (2nd son), George 1807(4th son), Mary 1810.

It says banksman there but on the Marriage cert it says husbandman Grin Grin


William b 1799 =  2nd son
George b 1807 =4th son
Robert Drury 1815 = ?? son

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William Turnbull 40 engineer Y ...did he also have an education?
Isabella 35 Y
mary 13 Y
William 12 Y
Jane 10 Y
Michell 8 Y
Matthew 4 Y
Charles 2 Y

In 1851 William is a colliery engineer with wife and 2 extra kids Elizabeth 9 and Margaret 6.

There is no sign of William having the Dury middle name.

In 1841 there is another William Turnbull and family in St Oswald. he is a coal inspector and has a daughter named Margaret. Don't know if this is our area!

Why would Robert be the only one to get the middle name??  When Robert married Magaret Balsam why didn't he give it. Hopefully Robert jnrs birth cert will reveal all

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« Reply #43 on: Friday 16 May 08 20:52 BST (UK) »

My great grandmother gave her 8th child, a girl, her maiden name as a middle christian name. So you can't always work out why they named their children in the way they did.
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« Reply #44 on: Friday 16 May 08 21:22 BST (UK) »

MIftref Madpantf hafth thou been conversing wyth thee guy from GR directly, can he shed fome more light on Margaret Turnbulls situation?

Miftref Jaywit, thine grandmother waf named fate rher grandmother Fanny Elizabeth, she be verrie glladde she waf nay called Fanny!




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