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wren
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Sarah Griffiths
« on: Sunday 12 June 05 10:21 UTC (UK) »
Sarah Griffith migrated to Australia on the Caribou as a beneficiary of the Donegal Relief Fund in 1859. Her Father William and her mother Mary (Cannon) remained in Ireland. Their place of residence is said to be Torman or is that Terman and their native place was said to be Londerry County Donegal. Can anyone tell me where Torman was? Any news on the Griffith or Cannon families would be much appreciated.
Sarah's obituary said that she had resided in Carrowcannon House in Donegal. I have today found an add for the sale of Carrowcannon House and would be interested in any news of the history of same. I feel that perhaps the family may have been evicted from this house if they ever really lived there. The fact that Sarah came to Australia courtesy of the Donegal Relief fund to me indicates that they were not exactly flush with funds and therefore Carrowcannon House would have been well and truly beyond their means. 
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Christopher
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Re: Sarah Griffiths
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 07 February 06 15:25 UTC (UK) »
Hello Wren,

Griffiths Valuation of Donegal 1857 does not mention anyone by the name of Griffiths. A couple of heads of household named William Griffith are mentioned.  The surname Cannon is mentioned as living in the same Parish.

Termon is a townland of 301 acres in the Parish of Templecrane. I regret I was only able to find a little bit of information about Carrowcannon. Daniel Sweeney purchased Carrowcannon House and farm (http://www.loughrey.ie/Rur112.htm) near Falcarragh in 1876. He took his wife and family of eight children to Donegal. He changed the family name, by deed pole, from Sweeney back to the original Mac Sweeney. http://www.sweeneydoeclan.com/id17.htm

This next site mentions Richard Benson who owned 20 acres at Carrowcannon, Falcarragh. I wonder if he was the tenent of the property prior to Daniel Sweeney? http://www.odochartaigh.org/portal/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=317
Griffiths Valuation of Co. Donegal in 1857 http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php mentions Richard Benson of Carrowcanon in the parish of Raymunterdoney, Co. Donegal

Best Wishes, Christopher

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wren
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Re: Sarah Griffiths
« Reply #2 on: Friday 10 February 06 05:59 UTC (UK) »
Christopher
Thanks for your help. I'm beginning to think Sarah's Irish roots are a lost cause, but I'm extremely interested. I downloaded a picture of the house from the sale site a little while ago.
I tend to think that as Sarah came to Australia courtesy of the Donegal Relief Fund that Carrowcannon House may have been a bit grand for the Griffith/Cannon family. Maybe they were forced to leave the house, if they ever lived there. Maybe whoever wrote the obituary was flirting with the truth. I'm not sure. But every little bit of information helps to either prove or disprove a theory.
Thanks again
Wren.
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Re: Sarah Griffiths
« Reply #3 on: Friday 10 February 06 06:40 UTC (UK) »
Hello Wren,

I suggset you send a message to the agent selling Carrowcannon House. You may be able to establish the date the property was built. I do not know much about property deeds but the agent may be able to tell you if either the Cannon family or Griffith family lived in the property. It is quite possible they did live in the house and for one reason or another hit hard times. I can see no reason for an obituary writer to flirt with the truth. This site shows the burials at Old St. Mary’s Church, Held at Christ the King Church (Gortahork) during the period 1849-63 There were several Cannon burials there during that period. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegal/gortbur.htm

All the Best, Christopher
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wren
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Re: Sarah Griffiths
« Reply #4 on: Friday 10 February 06 07:28 UTC (UK) »
Dear Christopher
Your site sounds great I will check it out.
I sent a message to the agent who was going to get in contact with the owners. I haen't heard back from them as yet.
As far as flirting with the truth. My McGuinnesses were masters at the art. Thats one of the reasons why I double check everything.
I find it rgher endearing really. Its so good to get a reply after so long.
Thanks
Wren.
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GaryOB
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Re: Sarah Griffiths
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 23 February 06 22:12 UTC (UK) »
Hello Wren

Checkout the other thread on O'Brian/Cannon from Beltony.  ndiem is also looking for a Mary Cannon from the same district (next generation along).  Could Sarah and the other Mary Cannon be related ?

If you check the Griffiths Valuation suggested by Christopher you will find many Cannon's living in the same parish of Raymunterdoney.

Gary
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wren
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Re: Sarah Griffiths
« Reply #6 on: Friday 24 February 06 22:46 UTC (UK) »
Thanks Gary
I will try these, it sounds very promising.
I'll have a look at these lines.
Regards Wren
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Re: Sarah Griffiths
« Reply #7 on: Friday 24 February 06 23:25 UTC (UK) »
Hi Wren
If you check the Griffiths valuation of 1857 you will see that there is a William Griffith and a Mary Griffith in the townland of Altnapaste in the parish of Kilteevoge.  Not far away either but not the same parish as Carrowcannon House.
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Re: Sarah Griffiths
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 01 March 06 17:52 UTC (UK) »
Hi Wren

Here is an interesting website that speaks directly about Cannons from Carrowcannon, who ended up in Australia, you might want to get in touch.

http://website.lineone.net/~cannonfhs/fhistory.htm

Gary
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Re: Sarah Griffiths
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 02 March 06 12:49 UTC (UK) »
You talk about the "Caribou", but have you seen the full list of passenges? 
Sarah Griffith is listed and it describes her as 20 years old, occupation Nursemaid.  Therefore she would be born about 1839.  Could she have travelled with one of the families on that ship?
Her native place is actually Londonderry, which could refer to the City or County of that name just over the border.
Termon, is located on on the main road leading North East from Letterkenny, which in turn is 15 miles or so from Londonderry city.

I also came across some Termon birth records for a William Griffith married to Rose Campbell.  It could be Sarah's father remarried or his son?  I note that these children appear a few years after Sarah was packed off to Australia, and could imply a second marriage for William?  Would be interested to hear if you know the real story? Wink

17/01/1866 Mary (named after Mary Cannon?)
26/05/1867 William Patrick
22/09/1869 Anne
26/03/1872 Mary (again? did the first one died young?)
23/04/1874 Hugh
05/01/1877 Male
23/06/1879 Rose

Hope this helps.

Gary
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Re: Sarah Griffiths
« Reply #10 on: Friday 03 March 06 05:11 UTC (UK) »
Hi Gary,
Thanks for all of the information.
I have looked up the list of the Caribou and was interested in theDonegal relief fund. As for anything else about Sarah's life in Ireland I know nothing, its all a big mystery to me. I just knowthat if she came out with the assistance of the Donegal Relief Fund then she wasn't exactly rolling in the money. She also ended up at Mt. Murray in NSW which is a small farming community, but in the days when Sarah and John arrived was very much a subsistence community who very strongly relied on the land.
The soil was very clayey and produced nothing of substance. It was always all hands on deck and anyone who could afford better land really didn't purchase at Mt. Murray.
Its piecing all of these things together that makes me think that the family met with some misfortune in Ireland and if they ever did have any land were perhaps dispossessed at some time.
I interviewed her granddaughter extensively when she was alive, but she didn't seem to know too much about her grandmothers life in Ireland either.
All your information is very gratefully accepted and I will try and chase it all up. Thanks
Regards
Wren.
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