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Topic: Need some advice where to go next?...... (Read 633 times)
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Helina
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James Williams born 1772 Olveston Gloucestershire married Mary Thomas in 1797, Bristol. In 1801 my Grandfather+2 James Williams was born. I,ve had a contact from another site who had kindly allowed me to view her tree. Mary Thomas had a daughter,Anne Lippat Thomas b about 1785 which I knew about but she has James's surname as Thomas not Williams.
What should I do next? because James is a relative I feel I need to find out. The contact has no answer.
Thanks for any help given
helina
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Coole,Bristol
Williams,Olveston
Wade
Wride, Bristol
Bryant, Bristol.
Peacock Somerset/Bristol.
Shepherd Admonsbury.
Tinney, Plymouth.
Ogborn,Bristol.
Blakeney,Hawkesbury,Bristol.
Trott,Bristol.
Blore.Derbyshire,Bristol,Redditch.
Richards,Bristol
Milson, Bitton
Harrison, Derbyshire
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ChasH
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Before considering problems I always like to check the baseline from which I'll be working and have found:-
1 There is no James Williams (JW) extracted or submitted baptism given in Olveston (Olv) in 1772 but there is one in Gloster during 1772 - died young. So your first question to ask yourself is, "Can I trust the JW info. I have?".
<I've deleted something here>
Regards
Chas
P.S. I've found something rather strange so hold on whilst I investigate it. C
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« Last Edit: Friday 16 May 08 14:26 BST (UK) by ChasH »
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Beverstone: DAVIES, HIGGS, PERROT.
Bisley: DAVIS, GARDINER, GRIME, JEFFERIES, PEACEY, FRANKLIN, COOK. BROWN.
Chipping Sodbury: HARDING.
Colerne: GOLDEN.
Gt Badminton: DAVIES.
Horsley: ADAMS, COOK, GAZARD, HILL, PRIDE, TEAKLE.
Kings Stanley: BISHOP, PINEGAR.
Minchinhampton, MASON
N Nibley: SHATFORD, WAYMAN, WOODWARD.
Stinchcombe: HAZEL, WAYMAN.
Stonehouse: GABB, GREGORY.
Wotton-U-Edge: PAYNE, SPENCER, RICE.
N. Wraxall: BLAKE.
Mostly 18th & 19th C's
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ChasH
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P.S.
The para I deleted in my last was in error because I'd typed 1779 instead of 1797 when searching the IGI's extracted entries.
However, I have found something rather strange which I am at a loss to explain at the moment. LDS batch C172571 on the Hugh Wallis site would be expected to give the baptism of James Williams in 1772 but it doesn't so I looked at the complete batch of names and they are all female ones  I cannot believe they were such an unholy lot 
However, during my investigation I accidentally found a batch which is missing from the Hugh Wallis site and is not given by http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/FindingBatchNos.html - M172571 - which gives extracted data from Olveston's marriage records. That might help you a bit.
Where does this get you? Revising my thoughts in my last I now expect JW might have been baptized in Olv but that should be verified on church records. Perhaps you should complete this chain and open another for a look-up in Olveston's church records in or around 1772 unless you are prepared to accept info from somebody you cannot contact now to find out its root source.
Sorry I could help no more.
Chas
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Beverstone: DAVIES, HIGGS, PERROT.
Bisley: DAVIS, GARDINER, GRIME, JEFFERIES, PEACEY, FRANKLIN, COOK. BROWN.
Chipping Sodbury: HARDING.
Colerne: GOLDEN.
Gt Badminton: DAVIES.
Horsley: ADAMS, COOK, GAZARD, HILL, PRIDE, TEAKLE.
Kings Stanley: BISHOP, PINEGAR.
Minchinhampton, MASON
N Nibley: SHATFORD, WAYMAN, WOODWARD.
Stinchcombe: HAZEL, WAYMAN.
Stonehouse: GABB, GREGORY.
Wotton-U-Edge: PAYNE, SPENCER, RICE.
N. Wraxall: BLAKE.
Mostly 18th & 19th C's
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Helina
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Thanks Chas,
Not been a easly family to research apart from the surname. Found James Williams born approx 1772 in one of the census, 1851 I think, (do not subscribe to ancestry anymore) living with his son James (?Thomas/Williams) and grandchildren.
After having another check at my tree I have James Williams baptism on the 23rd March 1777, Hawkesbury, but born in Olveston. But date and place of bapism could be wrong.
Another interesting fact none of James grandchildren appear to have been registered, found their baptisms OK
Joseph b 1843c
James b 1844 c
Mark b 1847 - 1855
Henry b 1849 c
Enock b 1850 c
John b 1852 c
Mary Ann b 1854 c
Mark b 1856
Edward b 1858 c
Eliza b 1861 c
They were farmers perhaps to busy to register the children.
Thanks again for your assistance. and advice.
helina
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Dark,Bristol
Coole,Bristol
Williams,Olveston
Wade
Wride, Bristol
Bryant, Bristol.
Peacock Somerset/Bristol.
Shepherd Admonsbury.
Tinney, Plymouth.
Ogborn,Bristol.
Blakeney,Hawkesbury,Bristol.
Trott,Bristol.
Blore.Derbyshire,Bristol,Redditch.
Richards,Bristol
Milson, Bitton
Harrison, Derbyshire
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ChasH
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From, I think, 1875 it was the parents responsibility to register births with what was then a hefty fine for not doing so. Prior to that it was the reponsibility of the registrar - I wonder how he found out Perhaps he went to weight watchers! 
Chas
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Beverstone: DAVIES, HIGGS, PERROT.
Bisley: DAVIS, GARDINER, GRIME, JEFFERIES, PEACEY, FRANKLIN, COOK. BROWN.
Chipping Sodbury: HARDING.
Colerne: GOLDEN.
Gt Badminton: DAVIES.
Horsley: ADAMS, COOK, GAZARD, HILL, PRIDE, TEAKLE.
Kings Stanley: BISHOP, PINEGAR.
Minchinhampton, MASON
N Nibley: SHATFORD, WAYMAN, WOODWARD.
Stinchcombe: HAZEL, WAYMAN.
Stonehouse: GABB, GREGORY.
Wotton-U-Edge: PAYNE, SPENCER, RICE.
N. Wraxall: BLAKE.
Mostly 18th & 19th C's
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ChasH
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Helina,
I've investigated some of the info. in your last posting.
At http://www.genuki.org.uk:8080/big/eng/civreg/places/f.htm (put it in your favourites) you will find the district containing Olveston.
In freebmd there are three Josephs, one James, several Mark Williams birth registrations, two Henrys and one Eliza, all in the district containing Olveston. I have not checked any other children but contrary to what you think, it appears very likely that all the births may have been registered. You must not expect the birth dates derived from a census to be accurate.
Regards
Chas
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Beverstone: DAVIES, HIGGS, PERROT.
Bisley: DAVIS, GARDINER, GRIME, JEFFERIES, PEACEY, FRANKLIN, COOK. BROWN.
Chipping Sodbury: HARDING.
Colerne: GOLDEN.
Gt Badminton: DAVIES.
Horsley: ADAMS, COOK, GAZARD, HILL, PRIDE, TEAKLE.
Kings Stanley: BISHOP, PINEGAR.
Minchinhampton, MASON
N Nibley: SHATFORD, WAYMAN, WOODWARD.
Stinchcombe: HAZEL, WAYMAN.
Stonehouse: GABB, GREGORY.
Wotton-U-Edge: PAYNE, SPENCER, RICE.
N. Wraxall: BLAKE.
Mostly 18th & 19th C's
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Helina
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Thanks Ruth,
I,ve adjusted my tree.
siamese
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Dark,Bristol
Coole,Bristol
Williams,Olveston
Wade
Wride, Bristol
Bryant, Bristol.
Peacock Somerset/Bristol.
Shepherd Admonsbury.
Tinney, Plymouth.
Ogborn,Bristol.
Blakeney,Hawkesbury,Bristol.
Trott,Bristol.
Blore.Derbyshire,Bristol,Redditch.
Richards,Bristol
Milson, Bitton
Harrison, Derbyshire
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ChasH
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Helina,
I am not doubting any of your info. itself - I cannot prove it incorrect - but it seems to me that you accept info. without knowing it's root source. A root source is not a CD containing a transcription but is the document from which the CD's data came (BT's PR's etc) which should be referenced on the CD.
The so called baptism dates you have may or may not be correct but as they are, for instance 1843c, I would have expected the root source such as the Olveston PR's or BT's to give actual baptismal dates and quite often the person's age if over a year - this was often important for inheritance reasons.
You really should ask for the root source of all info. you are given even if it's only from the ONS bmd indices because if you pass it on and when asked for the source say, "somebody told me", the info itself would be worthless to a serious researcher so, as http://www.genuki.org.uk/gs/ gives at item four, "Document your sources."
Regards
Chas
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Beverstone: DAVIES, HIGGS, PERROT.
Bisley: DAVIS, GARDINER, GRIME, JEFFERIES, PEACEY, FRANKLIN, COOK. BROWN.
Chipping Sodbury: HARDING.
Colerne: GOLDEN.
Gt Badminton: DAVIES.
Horsley: ADAMS, COOK, GAZARD, HILL, PRIDE, TEAKLE.
Kings Stanley: BISHOP, PINEGAR.
Minchinhampton, MASON
N Nibley: SHATFORD, WAYMAN, WOODWARD.
Stinchcombe: HAZEL, WAYMAN.
Stonehouse: GABB, GREGORY.
Wotton-U-Edge: PAYNE, SPENCER, RICE.
N. Wraxall: BLAKE.
Mostly 18th & 19th C's
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Helina
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Hi Chas,
I,ve ordered and received 3 birth certificates for Joseph Williams, wrong parents. I have Joseph's marriage certificate naming the father. Joseph is the one I'm most interested in being my Great Grandfather.
I would love to visit to view the parish records (have never had a CD) but not easy, but as you gather I'm slowly building up certificates.
helina
helina
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Dark,Bristol
Coole,Bristol
Williams,Olveston
Wade
Wride, Bristol
Bryant, Bristol.
Peacock Somerset/Bristol.
Shepherd Admonsbury.
Tinney, Plymouth.
Ogborn,Bristol.
Blakeney,Hawkesbury,Bristol.
Trott,Bristol.
Blore.Derbyshire,Bristol,Redditch.
Richards,Bristol
Milson, Bitton
Harrison, Derbyshire
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alf
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Hi
Are these any use to you, they are buried in Olveston churchyard
Joseph WILLIAMS,
of this Parish, 30 July 1787, 19
Joseph William, s/o
Joseph & Ann WILLIAMS,
Of this parish,
18 July 1812, 52
Joseph William, s/o
Joseph & Mary his wife,
31 May 1810, 13
Ann, w/o Joseph WILLIAMS,
23 May 1803, 71
Ann, w/o William PARKER,
of Patchway, d/o Joseph &
Mary WILLIAMS,
21 Nov 1823, 29
Thomas, s, died in infancy
Mary WILLIAMS,
5 March 1840, 17
Richard WILLIAMS,
3 July 1848, 46
Hester, w, 28 Nov 1871, 69
Robert Alway, infant
John, s, 3 March 1847, 5yrs & 11 months
Richard, s, 2 June 1887, 21
Mary Ann, d, 10 Feb 1905, 71
Mary WILLIAMS, 11 Nov 185*, 81
Thomas WILLIAMS, s, 18 Oct 1851, 62
Thomas, s/o Thomas & Ann WILLIAMS,
22 Nov 1865, 21
Joseph WILLIAMS (Snr) of this parish,
10 July 1794, 83
Elizabeth, w/o Richard WILLIAMS,
18 April 1812, 78
Richard WILLIAMS,
11 Nov 1817, 61
Mark WILLIAMS,
of Wallend, this parish,
6 Feb 1845, 67
Mary, w, 13 Jan 1834, 54
Hannah, w/o John BOULTON &
Richard WILLIAMS of the parish of
Henbury, May 1749, 60
Also 1 son and 1 daughter
Richard & Hester BOULTON,
Richard, 31 May 1760, 1yr
Hester **1762
Henry WILLIAMS of this parish,
9 March 1853, 68
Sarah Lydia, w,
25 June 1883, 92
Thomas JONES, 20 Feb 1810, 73
William, s, 11 Dec 1895, 28
Thomas, s/o William JONES died an infant
also 2 children, Richard & Elizabeth,
who died in their infancy
William WILLIAMS, 14 April 1810, 43
Mary, w/o William, 7 June 1839, 74
Richard MASON of this parish,
27 Jan 1841, 80
Elizabeth, his wife, 9 March 1858, 82
Regards
Alf
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Beard, Hobby, Tudor, Smith, Derret, Pratt, Short, Trotman All Gloucestershire
Beard & Hanson, Blackburn, Lancs
Beard & Rudman, Wiltshire
Loosemoore, Lusmore (Varients) Wales, Gloucestershire
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Helina
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Thanks Alf,
I have seen and kept those burial entries,
Thanks again
helina
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Dark,Bristol
Coole,Bristol
Williams,Olveston
Wade
Wride, Bristol
Bryant, Bristol.
Peacock Somerset/Bristol.
Shepherd Admonsbury.
Tinney, Plymouth.
Ogborn,Bristol.
Blakeney,Hawkesbury,Bristol.
Trott,Bristol.
Blore.Derbyshire,Bristol,Redditch.
Richards,Bristol
Milson, Bitton
Harrison, Derbyshire
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