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Topic: William Dalziel b 1821/22 Twynholm (Read 1312 times)
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kitty5
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I am tracing the family tree of William Dalziel born 1821/22 Twynholm, Kirkcudbrightshire.
He was a tailor and clothier.
He married Agnes Telfer born 03/05/1821 Girthon.
they married at Girthon 14/01/1842
they lived in Borgue Village and are still living there on the 1881 census but not after.
Agnes father was Samuel Telfer born abt 1796 Buitle, Kirkcudbrightshire . a master shoemaker employing 5 men .
Agnes mother was Sarah Scott born abt 1796 Dumfries.
In 1851 census Samuel Telfer and family were living at
High Street,
Parish Girthon
Gatehouse of Fleet.
I know the children of both families, but cannot find any deaths or family history any information would be great.
Before her marriage Agnes may have worked as a servent at Girthon Manor for the Jeffrey Family???
Many thanks
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Hi Kitty 
I've just found William's death - 24 March 1909, Borgue village, aged 88. Tailor and clothier Widower of Agnes Telfer.
Parents - James Dalziel, shoemaker and Margaret, m.s. Ray or Roy, both deceased.
I'll PM you!
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In 1891 they are in Borgue village, but their ages are wrong on the index - 49 instead of 69:
William Dalziel, head, 69, Tailor, b. Girthon
Agnes, wife, 69, tailor's wife, b. Girthon
William, son, 39, tailor, b. Borgue
Mary Jane, dau, 31, tailor's daughter, b. Borgue
Janet, 29, tailor's daughter, b. Borgue
Wm George, grdson,15, tailor's apprentice, b. England
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Here's a bit of the 1891 image to show that it is definitely 69 not 49:
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The family are still there in 1901
Borgue Village
William Dalziel, 80, tailor, b. Twynholm
Agnes, 79, b. Girthon
William, 48, tailor, b. Borgue
Mary Jane, 41, b. Borgue
Janet, 39, b. Borgue
Ellen J Frankes (?), grddaughter, 14, b. England
So Agnes must have died between 1901 and 1909.
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The Scotland's People site www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk has the death for Agnes Dalziel (other surname - Telfer) aged 80 listed in 1901, Borgue.
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Twynholm baptisms (1800-1830) - Father James -
20 Aug 1809 - John (Dazel) - mother Margaret Roy
19 May 1811 - James
22 Aug 1813 - Agnes
17 March 1816 - Helen
No sign of William
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Got an MI for James and Margaret in Twynholm:
It's actually on one that the first name is John Roy (d. 15 Dec 1812, aged 62)
................... Jas Dalzell d. Twynholm 23 October 1872, aged 88 and wife Margaret Roy, d. Twynholm 12 July 1864, aged 85.
As they died after 1854, you will be able to get the full death certs for them from the Scotland's People site and find their parents names.
There are lots of other people listed on the tombstone. I'll list them separately.
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The Roy- Dalziel family seem to be interrelated. i think it might be worth you doing a bit of sifting through this list. I would think that there is a good chance that that John Roy and Agnes Dickson could be Margaret Roy's parents (and William Dalziel's grandparents.)
John Roy - 15 Dec 1817, aged 62.
Wife - Agnes Dickson - 9 Nov 1843, aged 88.
Children
William - 22 Aug 1785, aged 2
Grizel - 8 Mar 1794, aged 10 mths
Cath - 15 Sept 1794, aged 8
Hugh -21 April 1816, aged 23
Then -
Agnes Dazell - 16 Feb 1839, aged 24. Husband Thos McClure
Jas Dazell (as previous message) and wife Margt Roy (as previous message)
Jas Daziel wife Mary Hudson - 27 March 1904, aged 74
Thos Dalziel - 29 April 1899, aged 80. Wife - Isabella Robison 25 jan 1900, aged 81 and-
imo da Mary G d. 16 Feb 1857, aged 5, s. John d. 1 March 1858, aged 11, s. jas, 4 April 1869, aged 20, s. Thos G 23 Feb 1888, aged 21, s. Wm 27 March 1892, aged 36, da Agnes Helen 16 March 1895, aged 34
William Dalziel 16 Jan 1915, aged 80
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The children that I have from the IGI for William and Agnes are:
1843 - Sarah (Agnes's mothe)
1844 - James (William's father)
1846 - Samuel (Agnes's father)
1850 - Margaret (William's mother)
(from census) c. 1852 - William
1856 - Catherine McBride
1859 - Mary Jane
1861 - Jannet
I know that you said you had them but the naming shows that they used the Scottish naming convention. Query - no daughter Agnes showing
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The children that I have from the IGI for John Roy, Twynholm are:
10 October 1779 - Margaret
26 Mar 1786 - Keatrin
12 Nov 1790 - Isobell
26 May 1793 - Grizal
Scotland's People are likely to list more including the sons
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wow Gadget.
you are so quick!!!
just read your messages it's fantastic to find all this info. I have re read it a few times , just off to have a lay down to think about where to start.
your'e a star
many thanks
kitty
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I'll work it out a bit for you over the weekend, Kitty. It came a bit thick and fast for me too
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a little summary of the direct line so far:
William Dalziel b.c.1821, Twynholm d. 1909, aged 88
Parents - James Dalziel (b c. 1784 d. 1872, aged 88). and Margaret Roy (b.1779 d. 1864, aged 85)
Margaret Roy
Parents - John Roy (b.c. 1750 d. 1812, aged 62) and Agnes Dickson (b.c. 1755 d 1843, aged 88)
James Daziel's parents should be shown on his death cert of 1872 (shown as James Dalziel, shoemaker and Helen m.s. not given)*
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* James showing as born Co Down, Ireland on later censuses 
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James Dalziel (1784-1872) and Margaret Roy (1779-1864)
1841
Twynholm Village
James Dazell, 60-64, shoemaker, b. Ireland
Margaret, 60-64, b. Kirkcudbrightshire
William, 4,b. Kirkcudbrightshire
1851
High Village, Twynholm
James Dalziel, 66, Master shoemaker, employing 2 men, b. Ireland
Margaret, 67, b. Twynholm
William, 14, grandson, b. Twynholm
Robert McDonald, 44, lodger, Clogger - journeyman, b. Dumfries
1861
Private House, Twynholm village
James Dalziel, 75, Master shoemaker employing 2 men, b. County Down, ireland
Margret, 79, b. Twynholm
William, grdson, 23, shoemaker - journeyman, b. Twynholm
In 1871, James is with his son Thomas and a large family. I'll type this out separately.
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