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Jean McGurn
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Sailor or Tailor?
« on: Saturday 17 May 08 07:14 BST (UK) »

Got a bit of a mystery.

On the census would it  show  the occupation of a man as Sailor instead of seaman, mariner or even master mariner ?

I have been looking through my notes on a particular ancestor and find that a late relative states that this man was a Master Mariner who commanded his own vessel.

Yet when his son died his granddaughter was sent to Ripley Hospital in Lancaster which took in "fatherless children from Liverpool whose father had been a seaman" (Her father had been a Journeyman printer.)

On the son's marriage certificate it shows that the father's occupation was Tailor plus also census records with him listed also shows he was a Tailor.

So you see my mystery. If this man was actually a Tailor how come his granddaughter went to a school that took in seafaring siblings.

Anyone got ideas please  Smiley

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Re: Sailor or Tailor?
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 17 May 08 11:31 BST (UK) »

That's a mystery, Jean!  I can only wonder if the occupation was misheard or mistranscribed - sailor for tailor!

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Re: Sailor or Tailor?
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 17 May 08 11:53 BST (UK) »

I think the occupation is actually that the man was a Tailor.

I found notes I made of the family from the 1841 census and there is a brother of the mans wife living with them whose occupation was a mariner.

So I now wonder if perhaps when the granddaughter was sent to Lancaster years later, after the death of her father, it was on the strength of her uncle being a mariner and not her father or grandfather. Otherwise how did she get in?

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Re: Sailor or Tailor?
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 18 May 08 09:58 BST (UK) »

Very strange!  Your theory may be right, but you also said that a relative stated that this man was a Master Mariner.  That occupation just doesn't seem to go together with Tailor!  I have a ggrandfather who was a master mariner - his background was that he was from a family of watermen, and he started as an apprentice mast and block maker and worked himself up!

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Re: Sailor or Tailor?
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 18 May 08 10:53 BST (UK) »

On all official documents, marriage,birth of children, death, my ancestor is listed as a Mariner.  On the censuses however he is a labourer in a soap works, labourer, wharf labourer, coffee house keeper.

I do not know where the mariner came from unless he was one before he married.

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Re: Sailor or Tailor?
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 18 May 08 12:27 BST (UK) »

Try searching the masters on the following site with your ancestor's name.  You might get a match.

http://www.crewlist.org.uk/data/masters.php

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Re: Sailor or Tailor?
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 18 May 08 16:41 BST (UK) »

 
Think I may have sussed it out. Maybe a lit white lie was given.

When g.grandfather who was the Tailor died in 1892 his widow eventually married a Mariner in 1903, whose father had been a Master Mariner.

Now although gran was sent to Ripley in 1895 and left in 1899, maybe her mother was living with the mariner and used his info for sending gran away to school.

It's only suppostion unless of course Ripley Hospital relaxed their rules for taking fatherless children from Liverpool.

David thanks for the link, may prove useful for other mariners I have. Didn't have g.grans 2nd husband's father on it though.

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Re: Sailor or Tailor?
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 18 May 08 17:05 BST (UK) »

Jean

If he was a master mariner he may be in the Lloyd's index. I can't post the site address because they have restrictions but if you google this.....Indexes to Lloyd's Captains Registers you'll find the link to the site....at the bottom of the site page they have an alphabetical index and your captain may be there.


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Re: Sailor or Tailor?
« Reply #8 on: Monday 19 May 08 08:47 BST (UK) »

Pleased to see that you have a possible outcome, Jean!  Cheesy

Mab, thanks for the reference to Lloyd's registers.  I'll have a look there too, for my captain.

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