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Any Census - Henry Morris Mason of Overseal
« on: Tuesday 18 January 05 23:30 UTC (UK) »
I am hoping that Some one can help me trace a Henry Morris Mason of Overseal on the Leicestershire/Derbyshire Border.

I have been given a newsaper obituary probably printed in the early twentieth Century.
It records the death of Mr. H. M. Mason, who died aged 61 years leaving a widow two sons and one daughter. He lived on Branstone Road, Overseal and was an engineer at Messrs Bass and Co - the Brewery.  The clipping has no date.

I know this person fits into my family tree but so far I have tried but have been unable to find a link.

If anyone can find this person and his family in a census it would be really appreciated.

Many thanks,

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Re: Any Census - Henry Morris Mason of Overseal
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 20 January 05 12:06 UTC (UK) »
Hello Andy Smiley

I've had a look on the 1901 Census and there are a total of six Henry Mason's.  This entry that's looks like a possible match.  Unfortunatley, the website was misbehaving and I wasn't able to view the actual census page, but the reference for it is RG13/2640, Folio 38 page 20.  The entry is as follows:

Henry Mason, aged 60, born Castle Gresley (which is about 5 miles north of Overseal), Derbyshire.
Sarah Mason, aged 53, born Lound, Leics.
Eliza Mason, aged 28, daughter, born Castle Gresley
Trevor Shaw, aged 24, boarder, born Gresley Wood.

For the 1881 Census please use this link
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=census/search_census.asp

On the 1871 Census both he and Sarah are there with a 6 month old baby daughter named Mary.  Henry's occupation at that time was coal miner.  They also had Hannah "Marnfield", sister, living with them.

I hope this helps
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Re: Any Census - Henry Morris Mason of Overseal
« Reply #2 on: Friday 21 January 05 08:55 UTC (UK) »
Many thanks for the look up Jan.

It is a possibility - but I don't think that it is the right Henry because his date of birth  does not quite fit in with the data that I have.

Andy 
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Re: Any Census - Henry Morris Mason of Overseal
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 23 January 05 23:30 UTC (UK) »
1891

Henry Mason, Head, 49, Farmer, Leics Overseal
Ada Mason, Wife, 46, Derbys Church Gretley
Penelope Annie W Mason, Daughter, 11, Scholar, Derbys Lirclow
Martha Winter? Mason, Daughter, 9, Scholar, Derbys Church Gretley
John Archer, Servant, 20, Waggoner, Northamptonshire Walgrave
Percy Fausley, Servant, 12, Errand Boy, Derbys Church Gretley

Farm House, Overseal, Overseal and Nether Seal
RG12/2509 Pg20

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Re: Any Census - Henry Morris Mason of Overseal
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 23 January 05 23:32 UTC (UK) »
Marriages Jun 1888
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FODEN  Matilda    Shardlow  7b 703   
FOREMAN  Frederick George     Shardlow  7b 703   
Martin  Lettice     Shardlow  7b 703   
Mason  Henry Morris     Shardlow  7b 703   
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Re: Any Census - Henry Morris Mason of Overseal
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 23 January 05 23:35 UTC (UK) »
1901
Ada Mason 50  Hugglescote, Leicestershire, England Head  Over Seal  Derbyshire  
Annie Mason 21  Linton, Derbyshire, England Daughter  Over Seal  Derbyshire  
Martha Mason 20  Gresley, Derbyshire, England Daughter  Over Seal  Derbyshire  
Mary J Raby 14  Burton on Stather, Staffordshire, England Servant  Over Seal  Derbyshire  
Tom Burke 41  Glen Moore, Ireland Servant  Over Seal  Derbyshire  
Thomas Kirby 54  Loughborough, Leicestershire, England Servant  Over Seal  Derbyshire  

Source information:    RG13/2969
ED, institution, or vessel:    7  
Folio:    142  
Page:    22

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Re: Any Census - Henry Morris Mason of Overseal
« Reply #6 on: Monday 24 January 05 09:40 UTC (UK) »
Hi Andy

In the 1851 and the 1861 there was only one Henry Mason in Overseal this is his family.

1861 census RG9/2268 folio 102 page 2
Samuel Mason head mar 49 labourer b. Overseal
Sarah wife mar 52 b. Appleby Dby
Henry son 19 labourer b. Overseal
Samuel son 17 b. Overseal
Arthur son 15 b. Overseal
Sarah dau 13 b. Overseal

1851 census index folio 228 Overseal
Samuel Mason 40
Sarah 42
Ann 10
Henry 9
Samuel 6
Arthur 5
Sarah 2

All the best
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Re: Any Census - Henry Morris Mason of Overseal
« Reply #7 on: Monday 24 January 05 11:38 UTC (UK) »
Many thanks for all of the replies.

I don't think that we quite have the right Henry Morris Mason.

He his linked to Mason family detailed in Linda from Oz's post.

He is possibly a son of either Henry or Arthur as both were farmers and the obituray speaks of Henry Morris Mason's  father as being a farmer.

However, I have never found either with a son called Henry Morris

Ada in the 1901 census is the wife of Henry a farmer but I have only ever found this family in any census with two daughters.

Samuel and Sarah are my third great grandparents.

Thanks again everyone,

Andy  Huh
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Re: Any Census - Henry Morris Mason of Overseal
« Reply #8 on: Monday 24 January 05 13:05 UTC (UK) »
Hi

I have this one living at 188 Uxbridge Street.  His occupation is Mechanic Fitter/ Iron Turner

 Mary Maria M Henderson 33  Bolton, Derbyshire, England Sister  Burton Extra  Staffordshire   
 Frdk Morris Mason 3  Burton-upon-Trent, Staffordshire, England Son  Burton Extra  Staffordshire   
 Harry Stanley Mason 11  Burton-upon-Trent, Staffordshire, England Son  Burton Extra  Staffordshire   
 Hy Morris Mason 38  Over Seal, Leicestershire, England Head  Burton Extra  Staffordshire   
 Matilda Mason 36  Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Wife  Burton Extra  Staffordshire   
 Pemlope Doris Mason 6  Burton-upon-Trent, Staffordshire, England Daughter  Burton Extra  Staffordshire   


Hi sister listed at the top is married.

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Blakeley in Batley West Yorks
Turner in Hanging Heaton West Yorkshire
Dann last known area Soothill West Yorks
Hirst in Hanging heaton W Yorks
Moss in Morley and Leeds
Parker in Morley W Yorks
Parker in Hull E Yorks
Tilburns in Morley W Yorks
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Re: Any Census - Henry Morris Mason of Overseal
« Reply #9 on: Monday 24 January 05 13:13 UTC (UK) »
Hi

This is H M Morris's sister who was living with him in the above census.

She is down as grandchild in the 1871 census . The head of the house is a farmer of 20 acres and named Henry At least it gives you her mothers maiden name if you didn't have it that is.


Edward R Hollingshead 35  Derby, Derbyshire, England Son-in-law  Boulton  Derbyshire   

Penelope Hollingshead 24  Boulton, Derbyshire, England Daughter  Boulton  Derbyshire   

Mary M Mason 3  Boulton, Derbyshire, England Granddaughter  Boulton  Derbyshire   

Henry Morris 59  Boulton, Derbyshire, England Head  Boulton  Derbyshire   Widowed

Henry Morris 20  Chellaston, Derbyshire, England Son  Boulton  Derbyshire   unmarried

Ann Turner 20  Barrow on Trent, Staffordshire, England Niece  Boulton  Derbyshire   

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Blakeley in Batley West Yorks
Turner in Hanging Heaton West Yorkshire
Dann last known area Soothill West Yorks
Hirst in Hanging heaton W Yorks
Moss in Morley and Leeds
Parker in Morley W Yorks
Parker in Hull E Yorks
Tilburns in Morley W Yorks
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« Reply #10 on: Monday 24 January 05 13:20 UTC (UK) »
Hi

And here is Samuel in the 1871 census strange thing though older son Henry says Unmarried and even though it states Harry it clearly is Henry birth place matches with his sister Mary's who is with Morris grandparents whcih is where the morris comes in to their name.

Harry M Mason 8  Boulton, Derbyshire, England Son  Seal  Leicestershire   
Henry Mason 29  Over Seal, Leicestershire, England Son  Seal  Leicestershire   
Samuel Mason 60  Over Seal, Leicestershire, England Head  Seal  Leicestershire   
Sarah Mason 62  Appleby, Derbyshire, England Wife  Seal  Leicestershire   
Sarah E Smedley 7  Over Seal, Leicestershire, England Visitor  Seal  Leicestershire   


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Blakeley in Batley West Yorks
Turner in Hanging Heaton West Yorkshire
Dann last known area Soothill West Yorks
Hirst in Hanging heaton W Yorks
Moss in Morley and Leeds
Parker in Morley W Yorks
Parker in Hull E Yorks
Tilburns in Morley W Yorks
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Re: Any Census - Henry Morris Mason of Overseal
« Reply #11 on: Monday 24 January 05 16:52 UTC (UK) »
Yes - Thank you this fits.

Harry M is probabaly Henry M and the Son on Henry (not Samuel)

The Henry went on to become a local Farmer.

The enumerator perhaps made two or three mistakes.

This would date the newspaper obituary clipping about 1924 which would also probably fit.

Sarah E. Smedley is the daughter of my scond great grandmother  (Eldest  Sister to Henry aged 29)

Many, Many thanks - Mystery hopefully solved - just a little proving to do.

Andy

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Re: Any Census - Henry Morris Mason of Overseal
« Reply #12 on: Monday 24 January 05 16:58 UTC (UK) »
Hi andy

There is a death of a Henry M Mason registered in 1924 in the Jan to March quarter  registerd in BURTON aged 61 at time of death.

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Blakeley in Batley West Yorks
Turner in Hanging Heaton West Yorkshire
Dann last known area Soothill West Yorks
Hirst in Hanging heaton W Yorks
Moss in Morley and Leeds
Parker in Morley W Yorks
Parker in Hull E Yorks
Tilburns in Morley W Yorks
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Re: Any Census - Henry Morris Mason of Overseal
« Reply #13 on: Monday 24 January 05 20:31 UTC (UK) »
1891

Lucy Fodew, Head, M, 60, Tobacconist, Warks Birmingham
Matilda Mason, Daughter, 26, Warks Birmingham
Martha E Fodew, Daughter, 22, Staffs Oldbury
Harry S Mason, Grandson, 1, Staffs Burton-on-Trent

Farm St/Corner Wollesley St, Birmingham
RG12/2390 Pg35

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Re: Any Census - Henry Morris Mason of Overseal
« Reply #14 on: Monday 24 January 05 20:31 UTC (UK) »
Andy, Changing the subject do you still need any lookups in Bulkington 1861 or '71 as I now have access?
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