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1851 census - MOUNSEY
« on: Saturday 17 May 08 16:57 BST (UK) »
I am looking for a Thomas Harrison Mounsey born in either Westmorland or Cumberland and married to Jane (maiden name probably Stanley).  His daughter Mary Elizabeth was born in 1855 and baptised at Ambleside and a later daughter was born in Liverpool but baptised at Keswick.
I have no DOB but his wife was born in 1830/1 at Keswick.
Any help would be appreciated,
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Re: 1851 census - MOUNSEY
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 17 May 08 18:14 BST (UK) »
Hi Sue,
this is not what you are looking for but there may be a clue somewhere (I know it looks very complex from you other posts)

1851 HO107; Piece: 2440; Folio: 277; Page: 6

Anne Garth House Martindale Westmorland

John Mounsey head 50 yrs labourer b Martindale
Jane    -do- wife 45 yrs  b -do-
Joseph Harrison -do- son 13 yrs  b -do-
Mary -do- daur 7 yrs  b -do-
Ann Clark Mother in Law widow 72 yrs annuitant b Cumberland Warnel Fell

Joseph was I suppose old enough to father a child in 1855 but there may be a Thomas out there.
Will look

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« Reply #2 on: Saturday 17 May 08 18:22 BST (UK) »
1841 HO107; Piece 1162; Book: 6;  Folio: 7; Page: 8

Sandwick Martindale

John Mounsey 40 yrs ag labourer
Jane 35 yrs
Thomas 12 yrs
Ann 8 yrs
Joseph 4 yrs
Richard 1 yr

all born in county
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Re: 1851 census - MOUNSEY
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 17 May 08 18:24 BST (UK) »
Hi heywood,

Thanks, Thomas was definitely the father of Mary and Jessie but there may be a link.  I am looking for any clues at the moment as I cannot find birth, marriage or death records for him, even changing the spelling to Mouncey, Mouncy etc.  
Second post looks promising............

Sue
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« Reply #4 on: Saturday 17 May 08 18:29 BST (UK) »
Do you have his occupation from birth certificate?

1851 has two possibilities

HO107; Piece: 1501; Folio: 86; Page: 40

b 1829 Askham living Islington Middlesex- a post office clerk

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HO107; Piece: 2441; Folio: 106; Page: 14
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Thomas Mounsey 23 yrs head unmarried tailor with journey man b Patterdale
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« Reply #5 on: Saturday 17 May 08 18:34 BST (UK) »
mind you these seem to turn up in 1861 both with wives Jane but not your daughters  Huh

The one born Askham is in Durham and is a pattern maker- has a daughter Mary A b 1855

The other is Thomas H with a son Joseph H and is a tailor in Birmingham - so is not him either but the H is interesting. Cry
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« Reply #6 on: Saturday 17 May 08 18:37 BST (UK) »
Well done!!!

On LDS:
Thomas Mounsey Baptised 6/2/1828 at Martindale to John Mounsey and Jane also a Joseph Harrison Mounsey to the same parents in 1835.
Don't know why it didn't come up on a search.

Oops, another post, yes, possibly a tailor,,his wife was a dressmaker.
And another, oh, That's odd, his wife was widowed by 1861 but has a son by 1871, so I start to wonder???

Thank you heywood

Sue
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« Reply #7 on: Saturday 17 May 08 18:38 BST (UK) »

Heywood  -    also,  Jane says in 1861 she was a widow - although William was born afterwards.... (see other thread)

so maybe the jane I found was the wrong jane   Huh
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« Reply #8 on: Saturday 17 May 08 18:43 BST (UK) »
oh Mum don't confuse me further  Grin

1841 has two Thomas Mounseys born 1828 (ish with it being 1841) both in Barton parish.
1) The one already found with the Harrison connection

2) HO107; Piece 1162; Book: 7;  Folio:  ; Page: 1

Thomas Mounsey 13 yrs male servant

Kings Arms Inn Hartsop and Patterdale

Thomas the tailor is the 'H' one in 1861 and has been transcribed as b Barley but could read Barton on actual census.


I wonder if the Harrison is a family name and these two may be cousins??
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« Reply #9 on: Saturday 17 May 08 18:46 BST (UK) »
family search has one with a mum Mary baptised Patterdale.

Must go now to make the tea!
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« Reply #10 on: Saturday 17 May 08 18:47 BST (UK) »
Quote from: heywood on Saturday 17 May 08 18:43 BST (UK)
oh Mum don't confuse me further  Grin


Sorry  !  Grin   I'll just sit and watch    Grin  Grin
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« Reply #11 on: Saturday 17 May 08 18:50 BST (UK) »
More confusion!!
Thanks for all the help both of you, I am getting off too
Regards
Sue
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« Reply #12 on: Saturday 17 May 08 19:28 BST (UK) »
just in case you don't have Jane in 1891 here she is:

RG12; Piece: 2928; Folio 133; Page 45
1 Roach Street Toxteth Park

Jane (transcribed as Jone) Mounsey widow 60 yrs retired dressmaker  b Cumberland Elland
William 25 yrs baker and confectioner b Liverpool
with Emma J Powell and husband and family
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« Reply #13 on: Saturday 17 May 08 21:16 BST (UK) »
Hello again,
there are also some Thomases born Cumberland. If you don't already have them, I think it would be advantageous to get some of the birth certificates of Jane's children to see what they show re father- name and occupation.
The Family Search entry for Mary Elizabeth is a submission from a member so there isn't enough proof re the details. There is a birth entry however on Free BMD as you say for Kendal.

Jessie's entry on Family Search is from the records at Saint John's in the Vale by Keswick - there may be info in the church records. The date is 1 May 1859 but she was born 1857.

Emma Jane's entry on Family search is for Nov 1859 birth and Dec 1859 christening but I can't find an entry on Free BMD. However she does get married as Emma Jane Mounsey. Smiley

As you say there doesn't seem to be an obvious marriage.
These are really just my musings and trying to make sense of it all  Huh
best wishes
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« Reply #14 on: Sunday 18 May 08 19:33 BST (UK) »
Hi heywood,

Sorry to have got off last night and left you beavering away.
Thanks for the 1891 entry for Jane, I did not have this, she died in 1896.
However I have now been told there is a marriage certificate for Emma and John and that her father Thomas was a tailor and his birthplace was originally thought to be Penrith, Cumberland, as to the accuracy, I can't say. There is an entry for Penrith on LDS for 2/5/1829 but also one for a marriage of the parents in May of the same year.
Jessie was born in Liverpool and it looks as though they waited to have her baptised in their original church, perhaps they didn't intend to settle in Liverpool and then Thomas died (or disappeared?) and that was that.

Regards
Sue
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