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JamesDMcBust
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Thanks once again for helping me out.
I've looked in the1861 census and find the following. I think this is the same family.
John Jones 1817
Sarah 1819
Sarah 1848
Pamely 1853
John 1855
Caleub 1858
Robert was 20 in 1861 and would have left home.
You give Robert & Deborah as grandchildren to John & Sarah in the 1871 census. Who would their parents have been? This is getting me a little confused. This Robert & Deborah were both born in 1870.
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silvery
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In 1881 census Deborah aged 12 is with Robert and Charlotte, classed as daughter, this will be to Robert, as he didn't marry Charlotte until 1874.
Robert aged 1 in 1871 so he might also be the son of Robert, having the same name, or maybe not. Birth cert would show.
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silvery
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Wales 1881 RG11/5521/19/9
Llanarmon yn lal, Ruthin
John Jones 63 farmer 14 acres b Abergele
Sarah 62 b Llanarmon
Robert 11 g'son b Brymbo
So Robert is still with his grandparents. He could be son of Robert. Perhaps if we could determine his birth reg, or marriage............
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Gadget
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There are 18 marriage refs to a Robert Jones marrying in the Wrexham Registration District 1867-69. I think getting Deborah's birth cert might be the best chance of finding who Robert's first wife was.
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This looks very much like Robert in 1871. His place of birth is shown as Llandelgla rather than Llanarmon but they are quite close or it could be misinformation by his landlord
1871
Queens Head Inn, Brymbo
RG10/5654 folio 24 page 15
Thomas Taylor, 29, head, engine driver and Innkeeper, b. Liverpool
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Robert Jones, boarder, widower, 30, carpenter, b. Llandegla
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JamesDMcBust
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Hi gadget/silvery
I will order a birth certificate for Deborah Jones as you suggest. As for Margaret Walters being Robert's first wife. I had been inputting information on another area of my tree during the same evening and I seem to muddled up the wife's name from another family. A case of trying to be too clever!
Thank you very much for your dedicated help on this subject.
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Paul
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Hello James
Before you order certificates. If you give me names, dates and places I'll have a look for baptisms they also give parents names.
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Gadget
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Hi Paul
Names, dates and places are on the thread 
I did think of suggesting that we might call you in  It looks like Robert's (1841)parents were John and Sarah, Llanarmon yn Ial
if you could get a baptism for Deborah (1869/70) Brymbo probably), it would get a mother's name
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Paul
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Hello. Lanarmon yn Lal baptisms 1840-1850.
Oct 17 1840. Robert Jones S/O Thomas & Sarah. Miner.
June 23 1844. William Jones S/O John & Sarah. Tailor.
March 17 1847. Ellin Jones D/O John & Sarah. Tailor.
I couldn't see a Robert with parents John & Sarah.
Brymbo baptism. April 23 1869.
Deborah. D/O Robert & Emma Jones. abode, Mount. Fathers Occ, Carpenter.
Wrexham marriage May 25 1874.
Robert Jones. 32. Bachelor. Joiner. Brymbo. Father John. Occ, Farmer.
Charlotte Smith. 22. Spinster. Wrexham. Father, George. Occ, Labourer.
Witnesses. Thomas Rogers & Sarah Smith.
Gwersyllt baptisms.
March 5 1876. Emily. D/O Robert & Charlotte Jones. Gwersyllt Hill. Joiner.
Jan 20 1878. Walter S/O Robert & Charlotte Jones. Gwersyllt. Joiner.
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Gadget
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So Robert's first wife was Emma. Good one Paul 
Now, we need a marriage for them, if you have a chance, please - L yn Ial or Brymbo, I would think
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Paul
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I'll have a look. I didn't have time today I was a bit up to my whotsits in look ups.
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Gadget
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North Wales BMD have a marriage, Wrexham -civil marriage 1866:
Robert Jones with an Emma Thomas as a possible spouse.
So if it's this one the marriage won't be in the parish records.
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That's where Ive been  there's also a Wrx Civil 1866 to Emma Humphreys WM///010/89 
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