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jillruss
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2nd marriage to another Elizabeth?
« on: Sunday 18 May 08 19:22 BST (UK) »

I'd appreciate some help trying to sort out a marriage muddle.

I have William Spafford (Spawforth etc!) marrying Elizabeth Beckett in Southwell, Notts 28 April 1757.

I have 4 children for them:

Francis 1758
Martha 1759
William 1761 all baptised in Syerston
Samuel 1768 baptised in Elston.

I've just been studying Wm snr's will of 1787 in Elston and in it he refers to his 'now wife' Elizabeth and to what seems like differences between her and his son William - as they will not agree to live together. I've had this will a while now but - from experience gained since I last looked at it - I realise that 'now wife' indicates that he was married before!! (I get there in the end!! Embarrassed

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So I'm now wondering which Elizabeth is the mother of who! Martha is my ancestor and I think almost certainly the child of Elizabeth nee Beckett.

From the gap between the baptism of William in 1761 and Samuel in 1768, I'm wondering if the first wife died and Wm snr remarried to another Elizabeth - or perhaps I'm just missing a few children?!

Can anyone help out with a burial look up for Elizabeth Spafford No.1 and a possible marriage of William Spafford and Elizabeth No. 2? It would beat taking an aspirin for the headache it's causing!! Grin

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Jill


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Re: 2nd marriage to another Elizabeth?
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 18 May 08 21:55 BST (UK) »

Hi Jill

From the NBI

Elizabeth Spafforth 19th December 1781 St. Mary (Minster) South Well.

Must be No. 1 as she died before the Will of 1787.

There's an extracted baptism in the IGI for another child

Elizabeth Spofforth 20th July 1775, Southwell, parents' Willm Spofforth and Eliz.

There's also five submitted baptisms, Southwell, in the IGI under surname Spawforth, between 1769 and 1781 Undecided

Susan


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Re: 2nd marriage to another Elizabeth?
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 18 May 08 22:14 BST (UK) »

Thanks, Susan. Looks like I was wrong about Samuel being the son of the second Elizabeth.

So I'm even more sure that my Martha was the daughter of William & Elizabeth (nee Beckett) but it would be good to find that second marriage - presumably between 1781 and 1787 somewhere near Southwell/Elston.

Susan, some time ago I was given the year 1797 for the burial for who I thought was Elizabeth (nee Beckett) but who must have been the second Mrs Spafford. Could I ask - is there a burial for her in that year?

Thanks,
Jill


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Re: 2nd marriage to another Elizabeth?
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 18 May 08 22:35 BST (UK) »

Hi Jill

Just amended my post above to add some baptisms I found

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Re: 2nd marriage to another Elizabeth?
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 18 May 08 22:45 BST (UK) »

Burials St. Mary (Minster) South Well

Looks like William died before the 2nd Mrs. Spofforth Undecided

When was his Will proved?

William Spofforth 1st January 1797
Elizabeth Spofforth 24th May 1823, aged 80 (so born c1743)

So many different spellings of the surname Huh

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Re: 2nd marriage to another Elizabeth?
« Reply #5 on: Monday 19 May 08 14:42 BST (UK) »

Thanks, Susan.

It's such a long time since I looked at this branch that I must have missed a lot first time round (when I was relatively new at it!!).

Those submitted IGIs seem to be okay as they give exact dates (but I'll check them if I get the opportunity) so I now have quite a few extra siblings for my Martha. I see that the last one is another Samuel in 1781 (the first one must have died in infancy) - there is definetly a Samuel mentioned in the will, which, as far as I know, was proved in 1787. They all appear to be the children of the first Elizabeth who was buried later in 1781 - perhaps from childbirth complications.

The 1797 burial you found for a William Spofforth (the name variations are many!!) must be William jnr.

So, who was the second Mrs Spafford?

Thanks for the help - much appreciated. Grin

Jill


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Re: 2nd marriage to another Elizabeth?
« Reply #6 on: Monday 19 May 08 16:15 BST (UK) »

I'm now more confused than ever!! Roll Eyes

I've just realised that those 'extra' baptisms can't all be children of Wm and Elizabeth. I have Elizabeth Beckett baptised in 1728 in Southwell - so not likely to still be having children in 1781 at the grand age of 53!!

Perhaps the submitter of those IGIs has got confused or perhaps there are 2 William & Elizabeth Spafford/Spawforth having children at more or less the same time.

I think I'll stick with the children I've already got for the time being!!

Susan, could I be cheeky and ask if the Notts Burial Index has William Spafford's burial in 1787 (when the will was proved) or possibly a couple of years before if the will took a time to go through?

Also, my Martha Spafford married John Campion (another name with lots of variations - Campin etc). I've found John's burial in Southwell in 1827 but haven't been able to find Martha's (last known child baptised in 1801).

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Jill


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Re: 2nd marriage to another Elizabeth?
« Reply #7 on: Monday 19 May 08 17:45 BST (UK) »

Hi Jill

The only William burial I can find is 1797. Haven't found burial of Martha Campion either Huh

Also looked under christian names in view of the various spellings of both surnames. Very odd, they had to be buried somewhere!

What date did William make his Will?

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Re: 2nd marriage to another Elizabeth?
« Reply #8 on: Monday 19 May 08 18:29 BST (UK) »

Thanks for looking, Susan.

The will was written in Feb 1787 and proved in May 1787, so - as you say - he must be buried somewhere! I don't know if it would be Southwell though, as the will says he's 'of Elston' - only about 5 miles away.

I've managed to find Martha Campion's burial on Family History Online - in Bassingham in 1838 aged 81. Bassingham is not far over the county border in Lincs and is where Martha's daughter Elizabeth lived with her husband & family. She must have moved in with them after the death of her husband. I do like to find little family touches like that! I suppose I could send for the death certificate. It probably wouldn't tell me much more than I've already found but it would be nice to confirm that her daughter registered the death.

Jill


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Re: 2nd marriage to another Elizabeth?
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 22 June 08 14:16 BST (UK) »

I think William's marriage to Elizabeth was his second, hence the "now wife Elizabeth". The marriage entry of the above in Southwell says William is of South Muskham. I looked in the South Muskham records and he married Jane HAGUES there on 26 02 1749. So I guess Jane died then he re-married. Maybe there are other children older than the ones you have. Wiliam's surname at both marriages was SPAFFORD.
I hope that helps your problem.


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Re: 2nd marriage to another Elizabeth?
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 22 June 08 18:07 BST (UK) »

Thanks Nottschick.

This is all getting far too complicated for my feeble brain! Roll Eyes

I've now managed to acquire an admon of 1759 signed by Jane Spafford and John Hagues for the estate of her late husband William Spafford - so she is the second wife of William snr - as opposed to the first wife of William jnr!!

So, I can only assume that there is still an Elizabeth who married William Spafford after his first wife Elizabeth died in 1781. Somewhere!!

Jill


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